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#1 Posted : 1/22/2021 5:01:52 AM
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Hi. The question needs to be elaborated.

I have never experienced breakthrough. By simple logic, I hopefully understand that everything is connected, and therefore must stem from the same source. If everything originated from the same source, then everything can return back into the original form. This means:
1) everything can transform into any other thing (there might be rules).
2) "all" is contained in "every".

In this context, it might be argued that lifeless objects "must contain" emotions and consciousness. (I might have made a mistake about wording or understanding. Please correct me if I am wrong.) But, what I want to ask is whether lifeless objects contain these emotions in a human-like way, in a way that we can establish empathy.

What are your trip experiences on this topic? Do you see/observe/experience objects as having their own emotions?

If yes, what are the consequences of the emotions and feelings of lifeless-objects in our daily life?

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#2 Posted : 1/22/2021 11:03:11 AM

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Who knows how the universe works.. We're all doing guesswork here


If I had to guess, I'd say lifeless objects do not have emotions, and that you need a limbic system for that, but at the same time that Consciousness somehow permeates everything, including lifeless objects..

What practical use, if any, this has, I don't know, but that's the feeling I have during trips.. sort of like, God is Omnipresent, but the word God is too loaded so I rather think about Consciousness. One might consider this still as too vague but hey, just having philosophical fun here Smile
 
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#3 Posted : 1/22/2021 1:39:22 PM

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Human consciousness? No.
But think for minute how everything is made of countless atoms, and these atoms are made of yet more subatomic particles, and these subatomic particles are thought to be nothing more than little ripples in the ocean of the universe. Waves, crashing into eachother and moving around eachother and interacting in ways we struggle to understand. Much like how human consciousness seems to arise from the interaction of a hundred-billion neurons, could a consciousness of the universe arise from the interactions of a trillion-trilllion-trillion fluctuations in the quantum field?

Guess we find out when we die.
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#4 Posted : 1/22/2021 1:49:28 PM
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This is just my opinion:
I'd argue that our definitions of "consciousness" and "emotion" are too limiting.

Everything follows its own mechanisms, in a sense the entire universe is an organism composed of organisms.

So everything is alive, rocks, trees, atoms, quarks whathave you.

 
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#5 Posted : 1/22/2021 2:17:19 PM

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Being absorbed by your own environment can be very disconcerting. Placing my hand down on a rock for balance and finding that I could not feel when I start and the rock begins. I do not feel like the rock feels the same way about this experience. It was there all along and wanted nothing. It didn't touch me, I touched it. Perhaps it sang to me and called for me to unite? I don't feel any emotion as this rock. I don't feel "I" anymore. I sit and wait now. I sing for someone to touch me.

The Earth is alive!!

Alan Watts wrote:
If I am my foot, I am the sun.
 
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#6 Posted : 1/23/2021 6:35:53 AM
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Awesome points people. Thank you.

endlessness wrote:
...but at the same time that Consciousness somehow permeates everything, including lifeless objects...

bismillah wrote:
...little ripples in the ocean of the universe. Waves, crashing into eachother and moving around eachother and interacting in ways we struggle to understand. Much like how human consciousness seems to arise from the interaction of a hundred-billion neurons...

Justsomedude wrote:
I'd argue that our definitions of "consciousness" and "emotion" are too limiting...Everything follows its own mechanisms...

We are made of elements that we call lifeless, yet, we have consciousness. I feel like our brains behave like a glass prism that diffracts the human-aspect of the general/superpositioned consciousness. The same might also be valid for emotions.

So, if the structure of a being/prism does not diffract the superpositioned source and reveal an aspect, then this aspect is hidden. I would conclude that lifeless object have no idea about emotions just like moles having no idea about colors.

But a mole can be given DMT and start to know/remember about colors (correct me if I am wrong). I wonder if lifeless objects are in a DMT-trip like state. If yes, there might be a mechanism to introduce emotions to lifeless objects too. This part is vague to me.


Poemander wrote:
I don't feel any emotion as this rock. I don't feel "I" anymore. I sit and wait now. I sing for someone to touch me.

You don't feel any emotion as this rock, but you have an idea about emotions. You don't feel "I" anymore, but "I" is the one that sits and waits now. Is it that you can travel between "I"s and transfer their knowledge from one to the other?



 
 
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