Here are some ideas that came after 2g of mushrooms:

- Our universe is a black hole. The event horizon it's boundary. All the information in our universe is contained on its surface (just like Steven Hawking calculated for the black holes in our universe and as the holographic principle suggests).
- Our universe began once it created its own space time bubble around collapsing material from a different "mother" universe. This material collapsed to a single "bit" and then "bounced" back out. It bounces since energy has to go somewhere yet stay inside the black hole. This bounce is the big bang.
- After the big bang, the center of the black hole keeps on expanding until our situation today. Inside we can meausure information as proportional to the volume, unaware that all the information that describes our universe is already on the event horizon (which is unreachable to us).
- If our black hole is still absorbing mass, then it's surface is increasing. That adds information to it, more 1s and 0s. What happens inside? New volume is added to account for the extra 1 and 0 states. From inside the black hole this may look like extra space being generated by a dark energy.
- If our black hole stops adding mass to it, it will lose information slowly due to Hawking radiation. Information will decrease, and inside the black hole this would be seen as a collapse (currently we are not seeing this, so maybe our Universe is adding mass to itself now).
- Since our Universe has a lot of black holes it may simply be a multiverse. Each sub-universe inside a black hole bubble. Each black hole could have its own set of black holes and so on.
- At the end of the day, the physics inside the black hole emerges from the info on the surface of the black hole. This is all determined by one parameter: the total mass of the black hole.

These are all just musings/thoughts brought back from hyperspace, don't want to claim anything above is actually true.

Anyway, hope this may be of some interest to someone. Cheers.

What caused the mother universe?

Glad to hear your thoughts Loveall


I've experienced similar things in my journeys, in one instance it appeared to me as a multi-branched fractal, branching to many other universes by these 'singularities' which originate as we know as big bang, so similar. All these cascading births occurring as a consequence in the creation of mass, consequently space and time. In a sense, just the big bang, but with many others beyond the horizon as well.

Physics aside, I have had similar thoughts regarding blackholes and the multiverse. Even something like, the supermassive blackholes at the center of each galaxy, like neurons communicating information (through the black hole) to some greater structure, multiverse, or 'being'.

Some real questions I have, or simply musings of my own. Given the birth of this universe, why does it exist the way it does? Why is it so meticulously fine tuned to provide stable systems that we see, and to provide life itself?

One way is to invoke the anthropological principle, we exist, therefore a universe to allow us to exist must exist, no matter how improbable or absurd.

But even to invoke this, out of the multitude of infinite possible universes, we must exist in the one that allows us to exist. But it only goes further.

The beautiful structure of the universe we are witness to, as above so below, we can watch it from the bottom all the way to the top, all the way to the horizon. It has pattern, it has structure, it carries information. Seemingly carried from the moment of conception, from when it was a singularity to the moment it is today, we watched it evolve.

It is parallel to our own existence, biological life. The entirety of our information contained at conception, within our own DNA, only to unfold in complexity with time. As above so below.

Intuitively, the existence of life within this structured and evolving universe seems obvious, like an apple to a tree, to an apple seed. Forgive the self referencing analogy, hah.

The question is how? It is one thing to grant an infinitude of the multiverses to grant the possibility of existence, but the possibility of life arising out of that same universe, according to the laws of physics as we understand, is mathematically impossible. The layers of information contained within even the simplest forms of life and genetic material, such as RNA is on many levels multi variant, each needing to correctly apply in order to give information that is reproducible across time.

To recapitulate, At the intuitive glance, the existence of life seems obvious result given the nature and beauty and forward growth of complexity in the universe. Yet, when it comes to the analysis, it appears to be the impossible contained and coinciding within the impossible.

Fundamentally, I think the question is: Where did the origin information come from? The information that came with the organization of our universe, and the information that came with the origins of life, I think fundamentally they are the same question. Like burnt mentioned, what caused the mother universe... What or where or who is the origin of information? hehe.. elephants all the way down...

There is certainly a missing piece, my opinion, it must involve this thing we call consciousness. As above so below. Not to get religious, but genesis comes to mind. Perhaps the oldest and best stated, Made in the image of god.

Even if you want to invoke an intelligent creator of this universe, in any idea or perception that comes to mind, like computer simulation, etc etc. That you still run into the elephant problem, who created it? Where did it come from? Mind boggling, paradox. Maybe its a circle of elephants, an onion, and a ring, an onion ring.

Feynman :: Rules of Chess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1dgrvlWML4

Good video, relevant

Beautiful question. Honestly, I don't have an answer

What if each black hole, as a singularity, is connecting with other singularities in many dimensions beyond the physical realm? So somehow all the universes are linked in a way that Möbius strip somewhat represents this phenomenon.

Where does the body of a snake stop and the tail begins? Does a torus have an edge? Is the universe just a ball of mass and energy that dances to the rhythm of expansion and contraction, and when/why did this start? Why wouldn't the universe be a statically sized object? Why does order emerge out of chaos?

I think all of the questions in this thread lie beyond both the scope of conventional thinking and the accumulated knowledge of humanity. Quantum mechanics is unfathomable to ALL people. We're only at the stage where we can only observe quantum mechanics, not yet explain it.


"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don't understand quantum mechanics." ~ Richard Feynman.

Perhaps part of the fun is to simply imagine and let our creativity and imaginations run wild. With each new scientific research comes out, we are getting a bit closer in validating or invalidating the models we have about the universe and current realities. Sometimes the new findings even validates the ancient teachings!

I came across this site - http://holofractal.net/introduction/
It has many parts written about these subjects and really fascinating reads IMO.

Interesting answers thanks guys.

Since the first post, I've come across this:

Bouncing cosmology inspired by regular black holes

So, it seems there is already some interest between a possible link between black hole physics and the big bang already (the paper itself is pretty technical though).

I'd like to thank the mushrooms for bringing this to our attention

Looks like besides gardening, psychedelics can also be a gateway drug to cosmology