Post salvia trip. Yet still in a very spiritual mindset. T+3.00 atleastCzepa says:
everything makes sense
why havent i talked to myself properly before?
Spin says:
lol
Czepa says:
seriously man
we are one conciousness.
Spin says:
what makes sense?
Czepa says:
your ego makes you unable to let go of life
and rationally communicate
why cant you be at one with someone without external emotional influence and prejudice?
Spin says:
because we arent all the exact same person?
Czepa says:
obviously we dont have the same ego
but i am you
and you are me
in essence
Spin says:
heh, i remember going through a thought process like that
Czepa says:
so you think its a construct
is that right?
Spin says:
explain what your asking
i'll tell you one thing
Czepa says:
what does ego have to do with anything daily life unless we are one, behind the vail. further into conciousness
in daily life*
Spin says:
generally ego is just someone trying to seperate themselves from others, but i have a feeling your talking about this in a different respect
Czepa says:
new media.. no one sees it. they think its fact. they want to sway our opinion
and keep our attention off of everything else
Spin says:
course they do
Czepa says:
news*
global warming.. alot of attention on it.
Spin says:
if a lot of people agree with you, your pretty likely to feel your right, and vice versa
Czepa says:
guess what: not an issue
we are gonna be in an ice age in the next 1k years
atleast the start of one
Spin says:
and what makes you think that
btw
Czepa says:
ice core samples
Spin says:
global warming leads to an ice age, so your cutting your foot there
Czepa says:
the scientific community has thrown away the concept of global warming.. the global panel rufutes it
with data.
but politicians are fucked.
they dont want people talking about the war
so much fucjked up shit in this world
you do not have "freedome"
Spin says:
to be more exact, you cant have freedom
Czepa says:
you feel free cause you arent a slave, but that doesnt mean you're not a robat.
you are payed enough to have a little bit of what you want but mainly to get food to survive and pay for A PLACE TO LIVE for fucks sake.
Spin says:
there is no such thing as freedom, truely, or there is, no matter what the situation your in, depending how you look at it
Czepa says:
if we were truely free then governments wouldnt be spending money on bs military that we dont need.
Spin says:
well
your free to do whatever you want
Czepa says:
and people high in the corperate food chanin get heaps of money for fuck all
fuck all work
Spin says:
governments, etc. are orgernisations that try and control freedom
doesnt mean you dont have it
Czepa says:
then they try to keep everone dumbed down
corperations swaying government decisions
think abou it
Spin says:
hell, even if your loked up, you still have freedom
the only thing stopping you doing anything thats physically possible, is your mind
Czepa says:
no. think about it
you are not free to do what you want
society is holding you back.
Spin says:
alright, tell me something i cant do
Czepa says:
taking your money through tax. then spending it on shit you dont need
thats not beneficial for the majority of people
Spin says:
well, i dont have to pay tax
Czepa says:
we need world reform
but still other people having to pay tax makes you not get payed as much
seriously
you ARE effected
Spin says:
i mean, stuff will happen thats unfavorable if i dont pay tax, but the only reason i do, is because of peer pressure
Czepa says:
seriosuly man..
why do you have to be controlled?
do you like it?
Spin says:
well, let me put it this way
Czepa says:
do you have an internal desire to be controlled.
Spin says:
in a society as big as ours
Czepa says:
like a sexual dominance thing
you have a kink
lust is more powerfull than birth control
too many people on this earth
not enough resources
Spin says:
if coreprations like the government didnt enforce control , there would be people that would exercise their "freedom" by taking your freedom
Czepa says:
society will collapse
mark my word
prepare noe
learn to survive in independant communited
dependant of society.
offf the grid
no you are wrong. sorry to put it bluntly
but people only act negatively because they are resisting control
Spin says:
wrong about what
heh, i know for a fact thats rubbish
Czepa says:
its about energy
why do you do anything negative?
Spin says:
because its fun
simple as that
Czepa says:
do you intimidate people or do the "poor me" because you want to help people. do you do it because you want to give energy to people?
no its from stress and social programming that you act negatively
its not fun.
think about it
Spin says:
alright then, riddle me this
Czepa says:
manifest your thought in the real world
Spin says:
heh, may not be fun to you, but it is to a minority of people
Czepa says:
positive manifestation is the key to the next step of human evolution
and no im not nihilistic
very much not.
Spin says:
i never said you were
i know what nihilistic is, i've been there
Czepa says:
im not mainstream
i assure you
Spin says:
no kidding, lol
Czepa says:
so whats your point?
Spin says:
point with respect to what: i'm saying that even if the government suddnly broke up, there would be other people/groups of people that would sieze power
Czepa says:
yes because the world fucked
everyone been programmed
but what if i can talk to alot of people like you
and make the world a better place
more positive energy is only a good thing
positively manifest people in your life
conciousness is the key.
we are all the same, but have a different plan
Spin says:
may i present you with a psychological concept?
Czepa says:
of growth
yes
go ahead
Spin says:
i just need to remember the name of it, just a sec
Czepa says:
dualism?
Spin says:
no
Czepa says:
ive only heard of it breifly
ok then
Spin says:
thats right, "prisioners dilemma"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_dilemmaCzepa says:
only read the first sentence
thats what im saying
Spin says:
when youve got the gist of it, i'll explain what my point is
Czepa says:
we are forced to do what our governments want
they control food and resource supply
Spin says:
thats not what its about
Czepa says:
and they use excess on stupid military and things to hide your intellegence
if we were truely free the world would be a peacefull place. and everyone would be at one
everyone has stress and fucked up influences
news media.
dont believe it
Spin says:
its about how logically, many decisions in life will always have abetter outcome for ourselves if we betray others, and a better outcome for everyone overall if we work together
read more about it, its a very trying concept
Czepa says:
i know what its about
but who is influencing us to act this way?
Spin says:
no-one
Czepa says:
you try to inspoire good will into your child yes?
Spin says:
its got nothing to do with prisioners
Czepa says:
so why does he grow up to be a cunt?
in theory.. dont take that literally
Spin says:
well, thats not something you can generalise
Czepa says:
it is.
Spin says:
theory or not, its a very logical psychological operand
Czepa says:
maority of people are cunts
weak minded cunts
Spin says:
let me put it this way
Czepa says:
yes
Spin says:
if you could choose option A or B in a test, and you knew the outcome from choosing A would always be better for you, which would you choose?
Czepa says:
B if its better for everyone else but i had to suffer
if more than 3 people were to benefit
Spin says:
now let me put it this way
Czepa says:
only if 3 or more people
Spin says:
what if you shose B, and the other person chose A
Czepa says:
well then id try to influence th other person and teach them that thier choice it wrong
Spin says:
then suddenly you as screwed as you can be, because you were honest, and he's off scott free, because he betrayed you
Czepa says:
its not that extreme
Spin says:
but heres the thing
Czepa says:
you must realise that you're being unreasonable
Spin says:
you can influence them as much as you want, but you wont know until you've made you choice if they followed your ideals
Czepa says:
ive had enough, i need to pack for my holiday, plane leaves tomorrow morning.
Spin says:
lol, alright then
Czepa says:
im going to give you a link and you will watch the workshops
if you finish workshop one i will not expect you to watch further
Spin says:
i'd still like you to read that page
Czepa says:
but i believe it will interest you
there is 4 workshops.. all continue from each other
Spin says:
alright then
Czepa says:
depends how far you wanna go
if you positively align your thoughts they will manifest in the real world.. just stick with it heres the link:
http://www.timeline2012....e/positive-manifestation dont judge me for the association with 2012. your own beliefs on the theorys are your own bussiness
ill read that page
do you mind if i post this convo on a forum.
Spin says:
what, the conversation between you and me just now?
Czepa says:
yes.
its not your everyday forum
Spin says:
sure, what forum is it
Czepa says:
its a drug forum and there are pretty complicated stuff on there
http://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/Spin says:
heh, alrighty then, just let me know if you want to do something like this again
Czepa says:
yes i will
Sir Terrence McKenna: "and what is real: is you, and your friends, and your associations, your highs, your orgasms your hopes your plans your fears... and were told. no. we're unimportant, we're peripherial. get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that. and then your a player, (but) you dont even want to play that game? (well) you want to re-claim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers: who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash thats being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world. ¿where is that at?"
"But now technology throws a curve. and the curve is that we live so long, that we figure out what a scam this is. we figure out that what your supposed to work for isn't worth having, we figure out that our politicians are buffoons, we figure out that professional scientists are reputation building gravitating weasels. we discover that all organizations are corrupted by ambition. we figure. it. out... and as you come to see that you are alienated you realise that culture is not your friend."