Hypothesis: Mushrooms will not talk to me @ 5+ g.

Terrence was experiencing groups psychosis brought on by extremely high levels of psilocybin. While he likes to pat himself on the back for being "an explorer", most people would have doubted what they were seeing. He seems to give himself credit for being "hard to influence", however from an outsiders perspective it seems like he didn't doubt himself enough. Furthermore the river/dish experiment failed in the presence of anyone else. Meaning that it was more than likely in his head. He later said. "Don't believe me, prove me wrong. Let's explain this in a way that it was all just some misunderstanding.". This is the challenge I am taking up.

My Tools:
True Hallucinations (either movie or audio book), for the generating sounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhmCldK0-0g 4:25 minutes the creation noise
True Hallucinations the book, as a guide book to follow the steps they took in LaCarrera.
Scales.
Psilocybin.
Caapi Leaves.
Extracted Rue.


Goal 5g heavy mushrooms (3 subcubs) and possibly an MAOI I will be building up to this. I am going to get there safely.

GOLDEN TEACHER
Dosage 1: (different days building up) 1.5 G Mushrooms, 2.5 g Rue. (MAOI 30 minutes before mushrooms). Mushrooms eaten by Peanut butter and Jelly.

Trip Rules: No playing with Kids. Go outside in the dark alone at the peak. Sit in silence, smoke some Caapi. - "Come in little green men". Ask for them to talk to me. No dosing again period. If it isn't strong, then so be it. We are doing this as a test run to make sure I make it to where I want to go safely.

Initial dose, try to force a bad trip. Try to make yourself believe you are talking to something external.

Results: No bad trip, no voices.
Completely in control of my facilities, it was extremely pleasant. I forgot what it was like to feel like you were in the spirit world.
Tried forcing a bad trip. Nothing. Back in the day I was kind of the trip leader, if things went sideways I would be the one to talk them back from the broken gears. That confidence came rushing back. I most definitively want to do a higher dose next time. However I am going to follow my predetermined path.
I felt like the universe was ready and so was I. Almost like foreplay for later.

Need to find better bug spray.





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GOLDEN TEACHER
Next : Dosage 2: 2.375 G Mushrooms, 6 g Rue 3 G Lemon Balm. (MAOI 30 minutes before mushrooms). Mushrooms eaten by Peanut butter and Jelly
Trip Rules: No playing with Kids. Go outside in the dark alone at the peak. Sit in silence, smoke some Caapi. - "Come in little green men". Ask for them to talk to me. No dosing again period.I didn't feel like I needed to try to force a bad trip this time. My crud seems very together for tripping.


It was much more visual and a really strong body high! However, again I was very in control.

Visual Hallucinations: The same star I was transfixed on the Orion's belt. Started flickering again, after watching it for a few minutes. The area around the star started getting darker.. then the rest of the universe glowed. it was like the center eye of the universe had geometrically formed.. I was in amazement for what seemed to be minutes, then out of no where.. The universe blinked. All I could think was. It was a test. Something was trying to scare me. My only response.. the same I had during Aya. "Bring it b****, I am more than ready". Unfortunately, after I intervened the visions had stopped. As if because it couldn't warn me to be scared. It didn't want to play.

Within a moment, I noticed a spider falling before my face. As I stood up, it stayed right where it was. It was on me! It had started making a web from my hair to my chest and my left arm. I picked up is web and moved him to a tree that seemed to have a good position near a corner of the forest. It moved and just sat on the leave.

Just then, I had an image where I was controlling the mushrooms with chains and I wasn't allowing them to talk. All I could think was that my steadfastness and what I considered a powerful tool to help me on this journey - my willpower. Was in my way.

Internal Hallucinations: I had a "AHA" moment. When I took Aya, because I was flushed from Puking. I had a 6 pack, and was Charismatic. Over the last 70 days I have been participating in what I should be rather than what I was. When I saw myself in the mirror (lost 30 pounds and started lifting heavily again), I was that vision. I had quit K2, my eyes no longer sunk in with bags. I spent time with my kids swimming and I was tan (both things I told myself I had to do on Aya). I had been in meditation daily. I was that person Aya told me I could be. And it was so F******* beautiful.

I was in Full on Pirate mode.. I felt like I was on a moving ship all night. Familiar to me from high dosage Mushroom trips in my 20's.

Audible Hallucinations:
Nothing, but playing the creation noise. Felt more like vibration like the first time, but I could envision the brothers of the screaming abyss reaching out.

Notes: When I went to the mirror and looked at myself, I said.. "Damn I look good". My wife said "maybe you are dying or something you lost a lot of weight". <-- DOH..
Great news, I didn't think a thing of that statement other than why would someone say that to a tripping person.


Results: No voices, but something was telling me to let go and I was very much about control, not just of myself. But attempted to command the mushrooms.

Dosage 3 [To Come]: 2.75 G Mushrooms, 7 g Rue 3 G Lemon Balm. Wed or Friday (Thursday is Breakthrough night) - Using a real tent so I can stay out longer.
Trip Rules: No playing with Kids. Go outside in the dark alone at the peak. Sit in silence, smoke some Caapi. - "Come in little green men". Ask for them to talk to me. No dosing again period. If it isn't strong, then so be it.

I learned my lesson with dose sizes. You should definitely be careful with them to.

And how do you know this, exactly, without being in his shoes?

Terrence had his experiences, which are not the same as your experiences, so it's unlikely that you will have the same kind of experience he did. Your physical setting may be fine, but your mindset may not be the same as his, so you may just get what you're looking for; a journey that may ultimately be influenced by your beliefs.

Similar to DMT and Ayahuasca, and even LSD, what a person believes can have profound impacts on the journey they will recieve. As he said, every psychedelic trip is highly personal, and sometimes, only certain results can be found when journeying solo.

There are a lot of influencing factors that may cause your experiment to give you what you believe, and not objective results.

Just be aware of these factors.

Oh dear, I once did 2.5-3.5g M with 2.5g rue. One of the shittiest trips I've ever had as I descended into a binary state (on/off, alive/dead) and I though I'd be fried forever. I doubt if Benzos would have helped, Risperidone would have been more appropriate. But then R with MAOIs... ヽ༼ಢ_ಢ༽ﾉ

Just a warning, this is nuts and unpleasant (granted the Ms were potent).

I will cut back to 2 this run thank you .. I did 1.5 last time Golden Teacher.

Absolutely. I had to make a grounded hypothesis.. It was as grounded as I could think. "what would someone want to prove that has never experiences this type of trip before".

Thank you and you are 100% correct. I honestly only had 2 possible hypothesis... Terrence was right and there is an alien in the mushrooms or He lost it and gave himself a psychosis.

I couldn't go with 1. Because proving your hypothesis doesn't go as far as disproving the inverse.

4g shrooms 4g rue here, pleasant 12 hour trip but nothing close to experiencing a mushroom talking to me or anything Terence Mckenna described with aliens/elves etc, maybe my mind is broken

EssCee check out this link to my own mushroom experiment I did last year. -> https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=63419 It was foolhardy in some ways but I was prepared for the experience. Mushrooms can be a little overwhelming at higher doses. I would definitely try it again but it is quite the undertaking. It is not something I would want to do very often at all.

Mushrooms definitely have something to say to us. I always feel like my whole being is taken over by something else. It feels wonderful and scary at the same time. Those mushrooms take no mercy. Go into this challenge prepared.

Terence McKenna offered his experiences from a good place. He is a wordsmith and storyteller. I think we should all strive to describe our experiences as eloquently as he has. I think his statements are overly scrutinized. He was just a man. I appreciate his contributions to the utmost. I take everything anyone says with a grain of salt.

That doesn't mean that Terrence didn't encounter any entities. And who is to say that it is the mushroom that speaks? I suspect that it activates senses that we normally do not have access to in a sober state of mind, and so, we can talk to entities that we normally couldn't otherwise.

Terrence didn't lose it and give himself psychosis. Your two possible hypothesis' were not the only ones, unless you're not thinking hard enough. My hypothesis is that Terrence wasn't right exactly right about there being an alien in the mushroom, and rather, he contacted non-physical entities that the Psilocybin state gives access to.

I wasn't stating a hypothesis in the post of mine you quoted, but rather, a question of, how can you know that he "experiencing group psychosis", without having had insight into his raw state of mind during those high-dose trips? You can't. Work your way up to such an experience, based on the methodology that Terrence used:
7.5 grams in silent darkness.

Also, have a watch of this, which the author based on Terrence's methodology:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=71670

I think one question to consider is if the mushroom talks through you. Maybe there is no dialogue or interplay for some users. In my experience the drug, or in this case the mushroom, is given my body as a means to express itself.

Perhaps mushrooms experience a kind of perception of which we could never understand. Theirs is a life with experience, but it is completely alien and usually unknowable. I imagine this being the case for insects and plant life. There is no language that could connect us in communication.

Instead of holding dialogue, like verbal communication, we are given a demonstration of mushroom affected perception. In this experience we do not totally know what it is to be a mushroom, but we see the world and reality through its influence. In this sense the mushroom talks, or experiences through us.

It uses our mind as a means to examine the world with monkey tools. Ape consciousness. And vice versa, we dabble in a bit of mushroom affected perception. But with the hardware being human, the greatest influence on the show is born of our own programming.

Hmm, i had the ergot fungus talking to me once, telepathically. The ergot that was talking to me had multiple personalities.

I unwittingly dosed very high the first time I did mushrooms and the Shroom Aliens communicated to me that they were Extraterrestrial Beneficial Parasites who were colonizing us through shrooms, implanting the spores in our brains and giving us the benefit of the high. I walked around for 2 weeks or so telling my friends about it, and for some reason none of them wanted to do any of that batch of mushrooms.

Yeah I can respond!


McKenna said in no uncertain terms. You will hear a voice, and you cannot anticipate it. It wasn't speaking through you, it wasn't a subliminal message. Rather, it was an auditory hallucination that actually introduces itself and can hold a real conversation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhmCldK0-0g 4:30:01 They were answering my questions.

https://psychedelicsalon...little%20green%20men.mp3

I am going to post last nights trip report and setup for next then I'll hit each Q.. thank you very much for the interest.

How much do you think you took?

Was it thoughts like Aya? Where you can tell something is talking to you but can't tell if it's you? Or was it distinct?

Yes I used that video as a guide too, but I was not going to 31 Grams dried lol..
Yeah, you have to cut him slack in many ways.. Just he really did claim external voices.

I think i was just imagining stuff. I was tripping realy hard then.

Anyway, if i where an extra-terrestial alien, and i wanted to contact human beings, and for some reason i would be forced to do all of this by mediation of some kind of plant or mushroom, i think i would pick a non-hallucinogen one. For this very reason: You're trying hard to come through, and the dude on the other end of the line is just thinking "wow, i'm tripping hard man".

I would believe him. Others have had encounters with entities that they seem to explicitly know are Other, and aren't just voices in the head. Mind isn't confined to the brain, even if mostly, in a sober state of mind. With psychedelics... Mind is somewhat released from those limitations.

I've heard external voices as well, except, in my case, it was more like, the unconscious aspect of my mind was translating the intention of the spirits into words that I could understand, according to them. When I am mentally tired, I can't hear those voices very clearly, nor sense their presences very well.

Isn't intezam's skeletor-skeleton build from star's dust? Are we alien too? We don't really buy this word: 'alien'. What's that supposed to mean? That we are not here now? Or that we are not from here now? What is from here then? Is our earths' core even from here? All these theories are similar to 'empty of all meaning'.

edit: perhaps Terences'(RA) talks and writings should be approached with respect to their time-line?

good questions.