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#1 Posted : 11/29/2015 1:42:36 PM
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What exactly lead the rasta movement to believe that Haile Selassie I was an incarnation of Christ?

I was told that in the book of revelations there was some verse saying that Christ's next incarnation would rise from Ethiopia, so it seems the rasta's took this verse and just "selected" Haile Selassie I...

I'm trying to understand rastafari, and I actually dig a lot of what they are all about, but I have never understood the Haile Selassie I as Christ part of it, and would very much like to...

...if anybody can explain it would be very much appreciated

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#2 Posted : 12/4/2015 2:10:42 PM
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I've asked several people and still can't get a straight answer as to what confirms their belief that Haile Selassie I was an incarnation of Christ.

Does anybody know what verse of revelations told them to look to Ethiopia? And once they "looked to Ethiopia" what confirmed that Haile Selassie I was in fact the man the bible was referring to?

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#3 Posted : 12/12/2015 3:21:30 PM
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Intezam wrote:
entheogenic-gnosis wrote:
Does anybody know what verse of revelations told them ...?

Yes, we (think we) know what verse it was: Also, His Imperial Majesty Heile Selassie the I's address at the United Nations New York City, NY, on October 4, 1963. Rastas believe (we think maybe), that at that moment he "lifted the veil" and revealed his Christ-nature. Bob Marley later turned excerpts of the speech into a song called "war". Perhaps it was Marcus Garvey who earlier looked towards Africa and Ethiopia as part of the black star liner project? In truth it ? is the part that we also do not fully dig...Surprised

Here is something unrelated..... it boils down to: Mango


Thank you.

I've been trying to understand rastafari for a while now, and by coincidence I was practicing spiritual traditions similar to the rastas, such as the rastas practice marijuana use as an entheogen. They also reject "isms", which is why you call it "rastafari" not Rastafarianism" they also practice the "vow of the nazarite" where they vow not to cut or comb their hair for a predetermined amount of time, though with people of African decent the hair has other meanings as well. Also when the rastas mention "Babylon" and "Babylonian things" it seems they are rejecting the aspects of western society which I also have an issue with...

...so when I first encountered Rastafarian people and had a talk with them, I was amazed how much we had in common, I mean, aside from their monotheistic traditions and the Heile Selassi I bit, I can really dig what they are doing...well, as a white, the Africanism portion really does not apply to me either, but as spiritual people and as entheogen consuming people, I can understand some parts of their tradition, and to me it seems like a truer form of Christian and monotheistic practice than the traditions practiced by the mainstream today.

I'm spiritually something similar to a shaman, though shamanism is centered on healing, and my spiritual practice is based on first hand encounters with non-physical and after death existence via entheogens, as well as daily marijuana use, marijuana was put here to keep humans happy, healthy, and vibrating peace and love, it was put here to diminish the aspects of man's psyche that lead him to suffer and victimize. The other entheogens have not been sanctioned for daily use by mother nature, if you attempt to consume the other entheogens the day after an intense experiance, they will not work, this is nature's method of telling humans that marijuana is our sanctioned daily sacrament, while the other entheogens are meant for more serious, intense, and transformitive spiritual work, and are only sanctioned for use during designated occasions. Daily marijuana use keeps the soul of Gaia in the human mind, it keeps you calm, free of stress, happy, and comfortable, and it keeps your interaction with sacred plants on a daily level, it keeps God in you mind, in your blood and in your soul, when you are under the influence of marijuana you are actually under the influence of God. Just like a "yin-yang" let's say the black "tear-drop" represents physical realms and the white "tear drop" represents the spiritual realms, now the white dot in the black tear drop represents entheogens, they are the small piece of the spiritual existing within our physical realm...

...any way I don't mean to go off topic discussing my spiritual views, this was about understanding rastafari. Which I'm still not entirely clear on, but over all think is fairly interesting, I've studied shamanism, taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, paganism, alchemy, hermeticism, Gnosticism, rosicrucianism, voodoo, Greek, Roman, and Egyptian paganism, the Hebrew and monotheistic traditions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Mormon, rastafari, Gnostic Christianity, etc... ) as well as every philosophy and spiritual tradition in between, and like an archeologist with pick and brush in hand, I sifted through layer after layer of detritus, collecting the artifacts and adding them to my collection, while discarding all the rubbish, this is how I went about spiritual study for quite some time, I independently and in depth took study to every known form of spirituality, I incorporated the useful gnosis into my spiritual/philosophical pantheon of ideas and practice, and discarded all the nonsense...

...after all this study and practice, I found that most traditions are simple exegesis of someone's first hand encounter with the divine, and you are then expected to have "faith" in this exegesis while simultaneously practicing dogma and doctrine distributed by a hierarchical authoritarian power structure and the institution they have built for this purpose...in other words it's a scam. Then I found entheogens, which allow you to experience the divine first hand, I was Moses in front of the burning Bush, I was Siddhartha under the bodhi tree, I was arjuna in the hands of Vishnu, I was the prophet in contact with God, and the entheogenic message is we all can be, that we do not need to accept exegesis, but that we can have the experience...

Again I'm getting off topic, sorry, I'm in the process of formation of "the church of entheogenic gnosis" so this type of stuff has been on my mind quite a bit.

Any way, thank you for the rastafari explanations, it's still somewhat murky to me, but I'll do my best to understand this tradition and their ideas.

-eg
 
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#4 Posted : 12/14/2015 1:57:59 PM
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the Lion of the tribe of Judah

God had revealed that the ruler would be like a lion, an offspring of Judah (Gen. Gen. 49:9-10; Ps. Ps. 60:7).

Jesus was born in the line of Judah (Mtt. Mat. 1:2-3; Luke Luke 3:33; Heb. Heb. 7:14).

Although Reuben was the firstborn, due to his sin and the sins of his brothers, the right of kingly rule fell to Judah:
Actually Reuben had the right of the firstborn. Nevertheless the Messiah is not “Lion out of the tribe of Reuben.” For, on account of sin (as recorded in Gen. Gen. 35:22), Reuben was deprived of his firstborn rights and the right concerning the Messiah (1Chr. 1Chr. 5:1; Gen. Gen. 49:3-4). The next following brothers, Simeon and Levi, were also excluded (Gen. Gen. 49:5-7) on account of their bloody deed at Shechem (Gen. Gen. 34:25). Thereupon Reuben’s rights as the firstborn were divided as follows: The double share of the material inheritance (Deu. Deu. 21:15-17) went to Joseph (in Ephraim and Manasseh; 1Chr. 1Chr. 5:1-2); The priestly dignity (see Ex. Ex. 13:2, Ex. 13:15), having regard to Ex. Ex. 32:26-28, went to Levi (Num. Num. 3:12, Num. 3:45; Num. 8:17-18 ) ; and The ruler’s dignity (Gen. Gen. 43:1-34; Gen. 33:1-20; Gen. 48:14, Gen. 48:18-19) went to Judah, Jacob’s fourth son (1Chr. 1Chr. 5:2). Therefore is the Messiah the “Lion out of the tribe of Judah” (Rev. Rev. 5:5+; Gen. Gen. 49:9-10).2



Revelation 5:5King James Version (KJV)

5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto God" — Psalms 68:31



So where do they get the Haile Selassie I bit out of revelations 5:5?, or out of the other bible verses referring to the lion of judah?

I was told by a practicing Rasta that "the bible told us that Christ's next incarnation would rise from Ethiopia, and that this was Haile Selassie I" yet I can find nothing in the bible pointing to the divinity of Heile Selassie I...

Though this is what I did find:

Haile Selassie I (Ge'ez: ቀዳማዊ ኃይለ ሥላሴ, qädamawi haylä səllasé[nb 1]; Amharic pronunciation: [ˈhaɪlɜ sɨˈlːase])[nb 2] (23 July 1892 – 27 August 1975), born Tafari Makonnen Woldemikael,[4] was Ethiopia's regent from 1916 to 1930 and Emperor of Ethiopia from 1930 to 1974. He also served as Chairperson of the Organisation of African Unity from 25 May 1963 to 17 July 1964 and 5 November 1966 to 11 September 1967. He was a member of the Solomonic Dynasty -Wikipedia

(The House of Solomon is the former ruling Imperial House of the Ethiopian Empire. Its members claim patrilineal descent from Solomon of Israel and the Queen of Sheba. Tradition asserts that the Queen gave birth to Menelik I after her biblically described visit to Solomon in Jerusalem.-wikipedia)

...

So he was a leader claiming legitimacy to his reign through biblical lineage, this leads me to believe that the rastas were aware of this claim, and that it may have been the foundation for their beliefs in the divinity of haile selassie I

...then they interpret:
"Ethiopia shall soon stretch out her hands unto God”—Psalms 68:31" as the place to look.

So haile selassie I`s claim to biblical lineage combined with the line from psalms seems to be all the "evidence I can find"



In the interview Bill McNeil says: "there are millions of Christians throughout the world, your Imperial Majesty, who regard you as the reincarnation of Jesus Christ." Selassie replied in his native language:

"I have heard of that idea. I also met certain Rastafarians. I told them clearly that I am a man, that I am mortal, and that I will be replaced by the oncoming generation, and that they should never make a mistake in assuming or pretending that a human being is emanated from a deity."[172][173]

For many Rastafari the CBC interview is not interpreted as a denial of his divinity, and according to Robert Earl Hood, Haile Selassie neither denied nor affirmed his divinity either way.[174] In Reggae Routes: The Story of Jamaican Music, Kevin Chang and Wayne Chen note

It's often said, though no definite date is ever cited, that Haile Selassie himself denied his divinity. Former senator and Gleaner editor, Hector Wynter, tells of asking him, during his visit to Jamaica in 1966, when he was going to tell Rastafari he was not God. "Who am I to disturb their belief?" replied the emperor.[166]
-Wikipedia



It's been an interesting adventure through culture, history, politics and theology in my task of understanding the Rastaflrian tradition, and just as it is when learning of any new spiritual practice, it has been informative, educational and benneficial in many ways.

I will continue to attempt to understand this and other traditions, as I feel all people must as an essential phase in their spiritual development, you must review the bulk of the existing gnosis, take from it what you can and discard the rest, after all its "the rest" that corrupts and drives people away from religion in the first place.

-eg
 
 
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