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Binary Drool
#1 Posted : 10/19/2015 11:02:39 PM

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Diagnosed October 2014

She is 52, spent most of her early years burning the candle smoking cigarettes and partying with hard drugs and booze. Fixated in a hardened persona due to the union road construction career she had for 20+ years, she felt she had to maintain the tough cookie act. She was given 3 months to live last year and underwent chemotherapy followed by radiation. She went into detail great regarding the cons of the experience, loss of hair in the shower - unable to walk up 15 stairs or eat for days..

She turned to cannabis oil which began to help her tremendously. This started Jan 2015 right after the chemotherapy and she said she could tell that the oil was combating the chemo shots and working on its own.

A little back story - She had quit drinking 20 years ago, smoke only recently. She has always been in tune with her body and nature even though she over did it with the partying as a young woman. She said she had a spiritual awakening years ago and seems to have a great sense of the existence of a higher power unity. Her openness to nature allows synchronistic events to occur on a daily basis. She continues to use cannabis oil, and is interested in dmt.

Her online research had led her to dmt on her own and one thing led to another and our paths crossed. She is a family friend. She is on no meds other than the oil. I mentioned to her that she should continue to do her research and take some time to make up her mind. she already seems confidant, but though her mindset is right, her surroundings are not. hectic family life - so forth and so on.

Today we spoke for an hour - I asked her several strong questions and got very mature well thought out answers. She brought up curiosity regarding the pineal glad on her own.. and he theories of connection to the there-after.

One question was "Why do you think this mass developed in your lung?" - "angry.. resentment.." She replied.

She is on no medication that would interfere with harmalas, though I think If I were to help her out I would like to give her the vaporized experience and then move into pharam treatments.

Thoughts?
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#2 Posted : 10/19/2015 11:27:34 PM

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Harmalas work anti-tumor. Syrian rue has been traditionally used for cancers. Let her work some with the harmalas and then do the dmt.

Possibly, do the dmt smoalk after oral harmalas. Oral harmalas allows one to gradually build up the dose and the experience. Maybe even better would be to do oral harmalas and mild oral dmt and then halfway the trip smoalk some dmt.
 
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#3 Posted : 10/19/2015 11:31:27 PM

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Have you told her about this place yet? Perhaps you should invite her to join . . . it would probably help with her research if nothing less.

It's totally up to her of course, but I'd recommend drinking vine only aya or the smoked harmala experience first. Then vaping low doses of DMT gently and working her way up to her sweet spot. Then trying a full blown aya brew.

I wish her nothing but fulfillment, happiness and answers in the time that remains to her in this life.
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#4 Posted : 10/20/2015 1:35:46 AM

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Diagnosis cot 2014, Chemo Dec 2014, Cannabis oil from Jan 2014 to April. [lack of supply] New scan have been taken in Sept, waiting on images.
Tumor redcution between Feb-Apr scans - 10.6 cm x10.1cm to 6.7x7.4 cm
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A couple of points/observations.

The imaging shows changes in the right middle lobe of the lung; the hazy wedge demonstrated may not all represent tumor. The opacification may largely represent the consequences of the tumor ie post-obstructive changes.

Cancer is a broad term which, when it comes to tumors of the lung, is these days broadly divided into 'Small Cell' or 'Non-Small Cell' subtypes which have different prognoses and preferred treatment approaches (which becomes more involved when we factor in whether or not its spread to other parts of the body, and whether or not the tumor cells demonstrate certain surface markers).

Although in the case presented its probably academic, the likelihood is that smoking represents a more concrete risk factor for causation than anger/resentment; this does not exclude a contributory role for psychological distress in the development of the pathology.

I also wonder what the patient hopes to achieve by using DMT +/- harmalas- some psychological benefit or some demonstrable effect on tumor growth or progression?


In any case I wish her all the best.
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corpus callosum wrote:
I also wonder what the patient hopes to achieve by using DMT +/- harmalas- some psychological benefit or some demonstrable effect on tumor growth or progression?

I'm wondering this also...

Does she just want to try the spice, and is concerned about the ramifications of vaping on her condition?

Or does she think that dmt can somehow help her predicament?

These questions will provide very different answers.
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cyb wrote:

I'm wondering this also...

Does she just want to try the spice, and is concerned about the ramifications of vaping on her condition?

Or does she think that dmt can somehow help her predicament?

These questions will provide very different answers.


And differrent responsibilities. I truly think DMT, and psychedelics in general to be medicine, but I don't know of much other than speculation regarding their efficacy with something like shrinking tumors. There's some promising anecdotal research with RSO, which I assume she's using, and if she's into following a plant medicine route, cannabis would possibly help more. Can she access it medicinally?

Otherwise, exploring end of life through conscious, guided DMT trips with her may be one of the most compassionate and giving things you have ever done, not that I know you. Again , that brings up questions for you, are you practiced and centered enough in that practice to provide such a service and secondly, can you handle the inevitable transferrance between her and you that will occur.

This is serious stuff, man, user that by posting here you are looking for advise and tat is good, tread carefully here.and with nothing but love.
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Some cautionary reports here, if you haven't seen them already...
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I apologize in advance if this upsets anyone. I am not a doctor, I am not a Shaman, though what I am doing seems to be filling those shoes. I may be overstepping my boundaries in treating a cancer patient.

corpus callosum wrote:
A couple of points/observations.

.......smoking represents a more concrete risk factor for causation than anger/resentment; this does not exclude a contributory role for psychological distress in the development of the pathology.

I also wonder what the patient hopes to achieve by using DMT +/- harmalas- some psychological benefit or some demonstrable effect on tumor growth or progression?


cyb wrote:
I'm wondering this also...
Does she just want to try the spice, and is concerned about the ramifications of vaping on her condition?
Or does she think that dmt can somehow help her predicament?
These questions will provide very different answers.


null24 wrote:

I truly think DMT, and psychedelics in general to be medicine


CC - I was hoping you would join in. Over the years you are the only member ive seen with the doctor symbol and I've valued everything you have written. I understand that heavy smoking and working construction i.e. black top vapor, construction were the likely contributor - and I believe she does too, but it was special how she attributed her cancer to ill feelings and emotional imbalance.

Cyb - She is intrigued by dmt though there is mild concern about vaping with lung cancer but more so feels drawn to it for its beneficial properties regarding her full spectrum health.

Null- I agree.

Though personally I don't feel that the chemical reaction of ingestion of dmt catalyzes any digression of tumor size or has any impact on physical health for that matter. What I do believe is that the in the dmt flash the great power of change is possible, we all know this. A drastic change in outlook, morals, goals, respects, diets, and first and foremost the ability to harness the power of thought - and this I believe can create tumor growth digression and.

When we originally spoke and I asked her how much longer the doctor said she had to live she responded 3 months. That is when I asked her if she knew about dmt and ironically her online research had lead her to it the night prior.

My initial interest was
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exploring end of life through conscious, guided DMT trips with her may be one of the most compassionate and giving things you have ever done, not that I know you

This I know. When she said she had 3 months to live I wanted her to have this experience, to help her understand that death is a graduation into unification.

I am also hoping that it will have a miraculous psychological boost in nero systems defense system and make use of the power of thought.

These two reasons ^ are why I wasn't originally interested in using harmalas with her but after further research I fell it had merit. She is on no other drugs that will cause interactions and her diet is adequate.

Harmalas for now, dmt will follow. I was thinking 50mg a day for a week and based on the patient adjustments may be made.

I plan to keep this thread alive or the next few months - hopefully years
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Right on man, you sound like the friend thus person may need right now. Good stuff!

Peace to both of you.
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Vaporised DMT, as we know, causes the blood pressure to spike when inhaled; I would want to know if any cerebral metastases were present as these often have very fragile blood vessels supplying them which are at risk of rupturing when the BP is rapidly elevated.

There are quite a few important considerations to be aware of before undertaking such a venture as vaporised DMT under the conditions the OPs friend is experiencing, IMO.
I am paranoid of my brain. It thinks all the time, even when I'm asleep. My thoughts assail me. Murderous lechers they are. Thought is the assassin of thought. Like a man stabbing himself with one hand while the other hand tries to stop the blade. Like an explosion that destroys the detonator. I am paranoid of my brain. It makes me unsettled and ill at ease. Makes me chase my tail, freezes my eyes and shuts me down. Watches me. Eats my head. It destroys me.

 
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#12 Posted : 10/21/2015 2:39:45 AM

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There are quite a few important considerations to be aware of before undertaking such a venture as vaporised DMT under the conditions the OPs friend is experiencing, IMO.


What is your opinion on harmalas alone and harmalas + dmt?

Also there are no cerebral metastases
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Binary Drool wrote:
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There are quite a few important considerations to be aware of before undertaking such a venture as vaporised DMT under the conditions the OPs friend is experiencing, IMO.


What is your opinion on harmalas alone and harmalas + dmt?

Also there are no cerebral metastases


I advocate avoiding polypharmacy (in the unwell) as much as possible and the use of DMT with harmalas is polypharmacy IMO. What I'm about to state may be regarded as controversial but IMHO the reason why the use of aya (or analogues, ie RIMA plus oral DMT), assuming strict attention to mind-set and setting is paid, is felt to be unusually healing (compared to say LSD or psilocybin alone) is because ,IMO,it allows ones baseline mood to be re-set to a point where the DMT does its work on a more receptive baseline.

I personally would regard psilocybin as a better option under the circumstances this thread refers to. Moreover, there is some evidence for a role in depressed MAO-A levels in possibly promoting cancer development, and an association with MAOI-A use too, although the full details are not yet known. Harmalas are touted for having anti-cancer effects but this may relate to other inherent effects of the molecules which may be independent of their effects on MAO-A. Its all very complicated and rather above my pay-grade to make definitive pronouncements on but the following paper considers some of these issues and, I think, is pertinent to our interests here at the Nexus:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2164/9/134

I am paranoid of my brain. It thinks all the time, even when I'm asleep. My thoughts assail me. Murderous lechers they are. Thought is the assassin of thought. Like a man stabbing himself with one hand while the other hand tries to stop the blade. Like an explosion that destroys the detonator. I am paranoid of my brain. It makes me unsettled and ill at ease. Makes me chase my tail, freezes my eyes and shuts me down. Watches me. Eats my head. It destroys me.

 
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I am also hoping that it will have a miraculous psychological boost in nero systems defense system and make use of the power of thought.


meditation can be extremely beneficial to this process , especially the relaxing sort of meditation rather then concentration

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I find this so wonderful.

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I haven't been on here for a good few months, and coming back seeing this thread gives me goosebumps. So nice and compassionate comments.

I am not a doctor either, the only thing I can share is this video from Paul Stamets where he tells the story of his mother with cancer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwLviP7KaAc starts at about 1h15.
I am not trying to give false hope, just sharing what I have heard and seen.

I wish her all the best!
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