This time upped my dosage a little of acacia spice..and after the second hit and many visions..
I felt very different in which i no longer had any emotions?.. and like a stone statue..and stared at my suroundings like they were totaly alien to me?

I felt nothing... because for awhile ..i was no longer human...

It felt like someone or thing had taken over my body looking through my eyes with its mind!

I felt the awareness of this invading presence and it felt all knowing with an ancient wisdom and no more human emotion to bog me down.. this mind was light years ahead of a human mind

For some reason it didnt scare me ..infact it gave me a secure feeling like i found a friend..

I had a strange feeling I brought someone or entity back with me this time...

Maybe it will live through you? Sounds like an honour.

Right there is something that I think is very important to talk about. Not that you brought something back with you, but that that thing you're perceiving as something separate from yourself is not separate from yourself - rather, it is you without your baggage. It is you closer to the true nature of yourself than the you that you suppose yourself to be in your daily life. I suggest welcoming that awareness and identifying with it - feel it as yourself. Allow your awareness to expand or move into that perspective without it needing to be something else just because it's so unfamiliar.

If you define it as something else, it will appear as something else and you will believe it and enforce it sunconsciously, effectively walling yourself in to your current perspective. It is a blessing to be able to move into that perspective - failing to acknowledge this is going on is missing out on something huge about yourself, consciousness and life in general.

[I've read many people who experience it in the way you mention which is why I think it's a very important misconception to clear up in the community. It's not a rare thing for people to perceive certain aspects of the experience as things external/separate from themselves. I'm not saying there aren't entities that are separate from us, but that there are levels of awareness along the spectrum of our multidimensional existence that can seem separate from us when really they are another level of ourselves.]

I think I have had similar experiences. Sometimes I think I have become something "else" entirely. The experience can feel very, very alien. And I think it does sometimes feel like something wants to live within you.

I believe, during these times, that I am perceiving a less filtered, more pure consciousness.

I wonder if time really is as we have linearly defined it, as our form of life experiences it, or if it is more akin to an eternal, breathing moment. When I ponder this, I wonder what it is I am really perceiving. Both sober, or on a DMT trip. Or when I'm 100% in the flow of painting or writing. Or when I'm sitting on top of a rock, looking at the beauty of nature, and just existing, without thought. These all feel similar.

What would a self-aware planet look like? What would a vast electronic, self-aware intelligence perceive, if it was conscious, beyond its inputs? What if it was the size of Jupiter? A Galaxy?

What might certain trajectories of just life on this planet become, when technology allows us to link our own minds together, no magic required?

It all comes back to the most simple question, that you posed quite poignantly:



Well, obviously you were. If you had surveillance cameras running, you would not cease to be an ape. But I totally understand what you mean.

I think it's more a question of "What is human?" than "What am I when I don't feel like identifying as human, which we use synonymously with homo sapien sapiens?"

And then, the question, if I don't identify as "this ape", then, what am I identifying as? "Who am I?"

In the words of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj:



Finally, if nothing else, I hope you sincerely believe that what you experienced came from love. I truly believe your "friend" completely loves you. Maybe it's even you--maybe you're just not it, yet.

During my trip...as usual.. I was playing some very spiritual native american indian music..
called [spirit lands] .. because it keeps me calm during the trip...

Yes i was striped of all my baggage ..and could see things in a far diferent light ..it was a strange calmness and i certainly felt like another person almost like a god looking down on the world from the higest peak on planet earth...

For a while.. I felt nothing ..pain did not exist..nor pleasure..nor happyness or sadness ..

Time did not even exist in this mind state...

I was sudenly unable to feel any of these emotions because they were not important anymore..

It was similar to an ..[energy being].. existence .. It felt like a god like mindset ..

maybe i just left my [human nes] behind for a while...

It was a wonderfull experiance to not have the concerns and baggage of a normal human being...!

Indeed it is

Bingo.

I like to think that this type of experience is actually a representation or aspect of the self and not external at all.
The trouble is that there is no real information to confirm either of these concepts, external or internal.

The one thing we can say is that the concept of external entities outside the the self has no rational basis whatsoever. There are no scientific models to support this in any way shape or form.

The fact does remain that both external and internal explanations of this type of experience still remains quite dubious at best and is at its root a matter of opinion.

I've had many of these takeover type experiences myself. While its happening its very difficult not to feel as though an external entity of some alien nature is not inside you using you in some way to experience this reality.
It can be very scary and I have tried many times to pretend it's not possible and only my inability to see it differently.
I like to think It's getting stuck on a primitive non enlightened perspective.

When do you trust your intuition ? are we to deny our feelings and intuition on these matters?

So much this...

I would add that this book might offer a very interesting perspective on this kind of experience (it's very common IMO to feel a presence like this), specifically in regards to how the two hemispheres of the brain fit into this.

As soon as I read the OP, I thought of you, Felnik, and your experience a couple years ago regarding an alien being taken over your body (is that correct). We all know how weird DMT can be. Most of the time we are swimming in a weird soup, served by a very absurd chef.

Thanks for the link UC. Started reading a little today on breaks at work.

Not a fan of these type of experiences to be honest, don't like thinking my mind has been "possessed" so to say.

One reason I stay a bit furthur away from DMT these days. So much mind**ckery

I've been reading this book called Decomposing The Shadow: Lessons from the Psilocybin Mushroom by James W. Jesso - excellent book which I highly recommend (and it applies to other psychedelics IMO) - and I just came across a passage that relates to this topic:



"As beings whose self-awareness is founded on a conceptual separation between "I" (observer) and "Not-I" (observed), we often attribute experiences that transcend the normal state of awareness as being separate from us. This tendency towards separateness may influence us to return from a psilocybin oneness experience with the misunderstanding that what we perceived was an external force. It is not an external force, but an internal experience. It is not the mushroom, it is not an externalized 'God' character. It is us. It is the perception of an internal force projected upon the environment and perceived as foreign due to unfamiliarity."

I really like this.

I agree in-so-far as these experiences, forms, entities, forces, displays, etc are not separate, ultimately. Then again though, based on my personal experience/s - nothing is ultimately separate from anything else in the phenomenal world (especially the observer and the observed.

So in a sense, imho , saying they're 'internal' or 'external' is a hard thing to grasp or say either way; if everything is ultimately not separate from anything else (just one incomprehensible mass of Mystery projecting itself to be the phenomenal world, including me and you), especially the observer and the observed.


On a more physical note:

I also often think about how the whole world we take in through the 5 senses is a configuration of signals, brought together inside our brain and displayed as a navigable model; which in turn, ultimately, is not the reality outside of our brains, as the outside world is a wash of currents/signals, not yet brought together by a perceiving entity such as ourselves (or any other perceiving being for that matter). So really, the world 'out there' (outside of our brains before signaling is taken in and funneled and configured) is really unknowable as to it's actual appearance and knowability. The subjective experience (as others have said here) - is all we have. What's outside of that? Your guess is as good as mine.

Then you have these transcendental experiences with various entheos and come into contact with these realms/energies/beings/etc. I view them in the same way as stated above. They are part n parcel of my subjectivity - they are not separate. There is right here - me perceiving - right now, in all it's various flavors. That is all.

(Kind of all over the place in thoughts though; was hoping to have this strung together in some semblance )

Exactly; internal/external [and associated or similar terms, ideas, etc] are less concrete facts and more just ways to navigate reality with language within the current framework of understanding we have of our experience of the world. As that - our understanding - evolves, those terms may become obsolete. I can't fully imagine how at this point, but I suppose it's possible....



Yep, well, we know that there is a constant sea of information/data/energies that we're always 'swimming' in, of which a very small percentage we're aware of and consciously experiencing - not even just on our own level of existence, but add the levels of existence that microscopic life occurs on, and so on. There is a LOT going on, and our brain filters and reduces it down to what we each identify as our individual experience - a very limited perspective. (not that that's a bad thing!) DMT and other psychedelics apparently alter the functioning of those systems in the brain that are involved in this setup, making different experiences possible.

So if the current [sober] 'setup' of information sorting/filtering results in your typical day-to-day human mindstate that we're all so familiar with, and then that sorting/filtering configuration is changed, it can result in experiences along a wide range of experiential existence - from 'close to familiar and still very much identifiable as my normal self just a little altered', all the way to a state of being that is so unfamiliar that it may be unrecognizable as 'us' to ourselves.

But that never happens to me - I have never once identified these extremely different states of being as something other than myself. The thought has never even entered my mind.

And so I'm wondering....I used to hang around OBE/lucid dreaming/astral projection forums a lot, and it was a fairly common thing for someone to have dual awareness/bi-location experiences: where they are simultaneously aware of being, say, in their bed and also 'in' an OBE. So some of their energy is being projected into this OBE experience but not all of it! Some of it is staying behind with the 'normal' brain circuitry while some of it is exploring another experience altogether.

And I'm wondering if something similar is occurring in these experiences where people identify these unfamiliar states of being as 'something else coming into their body/mind' - that perhaps part of their awareness is experiencing the state of mind resulting from the brain's functioning being so wildly altered while another portion of their awareness is experiencing the state of mind they easily identify as themselves - thus causing the perception of two entities rather than one.

And just to clarify again, I'm not referring to those experiences in which another entity is experienced much in the same way as we experience another person in the grocery store or on the street. I do believe there are other beings than us out there (even though as you said Tat, they, too are us/we are them/all is one, but...ya know, for ease of exploring this topic - I'm calling them other), but I think that in most (if not all) of the types of experiences that Starway is talking about - sometimes referred to as possessions - it's us - just us - experiencing more of our selves, beyond our humanness.