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#1 Posted : 3/20/2015 5:14:01 PM

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Setting - Backyard, over cast, under large pine trees.

Mind Set - Annoyed. Had a very busy day, constantly dealing with people at work, very little time alone all day. Even upon arriving home for this session, my phone was ringing, my cat's wanted attention, the neighbor was mowing his lawn with a huge loud riding mower. All I wanted was a few minutes of solitude, and the universe was not cooperating.

Up until this point, 15 mg was as far as I have gone. I was intending on dosing 15mg this time around, but as I was weighing it, I went for 18 mg, not thinking to much of it. Considering my scale is relatively cheap, and probably has a margin of error of 2~5 mg, it is entirely likely that this dose ended up being closer to 20+ mg, and considering how much more intense it was then my other 15 mg ish sessions, I think it probably was.


As soon as my neighbors landscaper shut the mower off, I took my chance, and nailed it all in one very dense puff on the GVG.

Immediately I was aware this was going to be more intense then anything I had experienced yet.

It came up to full intensity almost immediately. In the few seconds I had my eyes open after I blew out the hit, I saw the usual open eye visual effects I get begin to take place, but they seemed irrelevant, as I was well aware I was rocketing past the usual effects I get from 10~15 mg.

The last thing I remember about the open eye experience was that the borders of physical objects around me seemed to be vibrating rapidly, as if about to blow apart, something I have only seen to a very small degree before on 15 mg.

I think I closed my eyes around that time, though I later found that the visuals I was experiencing behind closed eyes, were just as apparent with them open; reality was only barely there even with eyes open.

At this point, my visual field was taken over by an ever morphing object, that most closely resembled the animations I have seen of a 4D+ tesseract, or "hypercube" represented in 3D. ( I only found this similarity out after the trip, as I tried to find some way to put into words what I experienced.)

Very much like this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-WyreE9ZkI

But it was a solid bright yellow / gold, and not transparent. Also it had a more rounded / smoothed appearance, not really straight lines, but the motion of it, and the morphing of one "side" or "face" of it into itself and back out again, and the changing of shape, was very much what I was experiencing. I felt like I was actually seeing it in 4d+

This object became all there was, and all I was. It was not just a visual experience, it was sound, it was physical sensation, it was everything that existed in that moment. Any thought I had, seemed to somehow be it, or incorporated into it, or just get swallowed up by it.

I still had some sense of "I" though, as I recall thinking momentarily that, if anything were happening around me in the physical reality, I would likely be unaware of it, completely oblivious to anything that was happening around me (whether or not that was entirely true I don't know). The multi-dimensional tesseract consumed my full attention, to the point that I felt like I simply would not be able to respond in any meaningful way to anything else.

I recall in the peak of this, while everything was so un-familiar, and I was barely aware that I was still something physical, an occasional breeze would blow across my face, and I would realize that I was still there, sitting in my backyard, a physical human, with a face that can feel the wind blowing across it. This was a very reassuring and comforting feeling.


As the peak went on, I began to notice that one "side" of the many sided morphing tesseract, had some kind of an image or symbol on it. I recall it being bright red and white, in contrast to the glowing yellow/gold of the object itself.

I would see it flash on one "side" of the object, as that side morphed out and back into itself, over and over. I would see the tesseract morph in and out of its multiple glowing yellow sides, then this one side would come through again, with that symbol on it, and just like before it would morph back in again.

The motion of this object was quite rapid, so it was hard to really get an idea what that red and white symbol was.

In addition, at the time, I felt like I knew what it was, as if it was something I was projecting or injecting into the experience. I felt the need to not acknowledge it, as if that would be putting energy into something I brought into the experience, and not just letting the experience happen, and going with the flow. At the time, I felt that was the right answer, but it continued to flash up as the object morphed through its sides.

After the fact, I wish I would have not "rejected" that symbol or image, I wish I had analyzed it more, but at the time, it just felt wrong to think about what that symbol or image was, or to even acknowledge it to some degree.


Around this time, it began winding down, and I was quite glad for that.

I had some kind of general feeling during this experience of being flooded with information from the object, information that I can't really use right now, or maybe ever. It feels like the information is well beyond what I can understand, and that the one part of the information I perhaps could have understood (the symbol), I consciously rejected.

The general feeling I get from 10-15 mg is usually a deep relaxation and inner peace, this was more of a roller coaster ride, that left me feeling like I had been somewhat ran through the "inter-dimensional wringer" not in a bad way, but in a very different way then I am used to at 10 - 15 mg.

For the next half hour, I walked around my house verbally saying aloud to myself "Holy Shit!", "Oh My God!", and "What the fuck!", in every possible combination, in an almost triumphant way, as I tried to wrap my head around what I just experienced.

I am still trying to wrap my head around it 3 days later, quite the experience!

Thanks for reading!







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#2 Posted : 3/21/2015 12:50:46 AM

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It is a strange ''world'' we exist in Surprised

btw, great report!
 
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#3 Posted : 3/21/2015 3:51:47 AM

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Thanks Synkromystic!

Strange indeed!

Writing it out really seems to help me make sense of it just a little bit more.
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#4 Posted : 3/21/2015 4:57:00 AM
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Most excellent report, detailed; definitely enjoyed reading that, Smile

Just wait til you venture into slightly deeper waters, hehe. (25mg +)

Partaking outside is prime territory ime, hard to steer wrong unless theres some sort of sudden interruption.

Best of travels. <3
 
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#5 Posted : 3/21/2015 1:56:57 PM

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Thanks Tattvamasi!

It really is pretty amazing the difference only 5mg can make!

To me 10mg feels like being dropped into the peak of a light and manageable mushroom adventure for a few minutes.

15mg and I start to see DMT's unique character shine through, the intensity ramps up big time, and it starts to become strongly visual.

20mg seems to really kick it in to the next level, definitely 20+ starts to get into the territory that I want to make absolutely sure I am in a comfortable and safe setting.

I think I will explore the 20~ish range a few more times before I go 25+!

I have found outside to be my favorite location for sure. I have always had a drive to do the more long lasting psychedelics out in nature, but the long time frame of effects makes it very difficult for me to pull off, and feel safe for the duration.

DMT's time frame of effects is PERFECT for impromptu nature sessions almost anywhere any time, I can finally have deep psychedelic experiences in the most remote of locations, without committing to 6-10 hours of the unknown.

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#6 Posted : 3/21/2015 6:36:46 PM

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This reminds me very much of one of my own experiences, some months ago. It wasn't a cube as such, but something alike a 4d celtic knot, object or entity, morphing in in-understandable ways, outside of time. Briefly I had lost all sense of self and the object was all there is, as it always had been. No beginning or end.

I still think about it from time to time, though the complete experience has faded into a shadow of what it was really like. Unable to bring back the information from that 4d or higher frame of reference. In my lifetime I have always had a fascination with higher dimensions, existence out of time, etc. Read many physics books on it and also many esoteric books. But its quite another thing to actually experience it. It's so jaw dropping and mind boggling, that in comparison you might as well not have studied it at all.
 
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#7 Posted : 3/22/2015 3:51:06 AM
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Those sneaky miscalculations will send you for a trip....

5mgs can do a lot apparently. Shows you what good smoking technique can do for you. Been using enhanced leaf because its essentially fool proof and easier to weigh out. Cherry and inahle.
 
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#8 Posted : 3/23/2015 10:53:30 PM

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MrVortex wrote:
This reminds me very much of one of my own experiences, some months ago. It wasn't a cube as such, but something alike a 4d celtic knot, object or entity, morphing in in-understandable ways, outside of time. Briefly I had lost all sense of self and the object was all there is, as it always had been. No beginning or end.

I still think about it from time to time, though the complete experience has faded into a shadow of what it was really like. Unable to bring back the information from that 4d or higher frame of reference. In my lifetime I have always had a fascination with higher dimensions, existence out of time, etc. Read many physics books on it and also many esoteric books. But its quite another thing to actually experience it. It's so jaw dropping and mind boggling, that in comparison you might as well not have studied it at all.



Thanks for the reply MrVortex!

Your description of a "4d celtic knot" is actually a much more accurate description then a cube, and fits very well with my experience.

I am very curious if I will end up with a similar experience the next time I approach 20mg, or if that was just a one off experience as you describe it was for you.
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furhenden wrote:
...I had some kind of general feeling during this experience of being flooded with information from the object, information that I can't really use right now, or maybe ever. It feels like the information is well beyond what I can understand...



With all of my breakthrough doses, I've always experienced the sensation of mulitple beings (sometimes just one, but usually several; sometimes I can see them, sometimes not) joyfully trying to stuff or cram what feels like a more than humanly possible amount of information into my mind. These beings always seem to be having an incredibly fun time doing this.

While this sensation could seem rather shocking, baffling or disconcerting to some, for me it feels like what is supposed to be happening at the moment.

I tend to feel that for days & weeks afterwards I am processing & metabolizing that information. Perhaps it might take several lifetimes, who knows?

It certainly has done me a load of good.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

Thank you for a well-written, interesting report furhenden!Very happy
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#10 Posted : 3/24/2015 2:51:36 PM
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I had my strongest experience recently. Everything happened really fast and I guess I panicked. I had what felt like a full life review, pulling up repressed memories or forgotten memories. It just flooded my consciousness. It had a "rape" like quality in its intensity and forcefulness. Thimgs I probably should have left behind me in my past, some of it good and happy and some of it bad and depressing.

I'm still trying to cope with and process this experience. I'm kind of glad it happened but I feel like I got my ass kicked. I ended up crying myself to sleep that night out of exhaustion and confusion. Like there were so many emotions all at once, possibly had a panic attack but not sure.



 
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#11 Posted : 3/24/2015 2:52:38 PM
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My bad on jacking your thread OP, just kinda needed to share that and thought you guess my be able to shed some sympathetic vibes.
 
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#12 Posted : 3/24/2015 5:12:46 PM

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Sandgrease wrote:
My bad on jacking your thread OP, just kinda needed to share that and thought you guess my be able to shed some sympathetic vibes.



No worries friend!

Sounds like a tough experience for sure, thanks for sharing.

You should definitely try to write down anything about the experience you can (even if just for yourself), it sure helps me to better understand what happened. I often don't feel compelled to write my experiences out, but when I force myself to start, I find it all just comes pouring out, often times with new details that didn't fully register to me until I tried putting it all into words.

I have yet to have an experience that follows that path, my most intense experiences to this point, have less of a calling up of memory's and emotion quality, and more of an effect of a breaking down of my basic thought patterns, ideas, and concepts at a very fundamental level. To where much of the intensity feels like it comes from realizing my inability to classify, organize, label, and identify what is happening at the moment.

That realization can get the better of me, and send me down a rabbit hole of trying to assign meaning to the meaningless, which can set into motion some pretty strange negative spirals of thought.


Regarding "entity's", perhaps I have simply not gone far enough, but I have never felt the need to assign that label to anything I have experienced as of yet. An object that seems to exude knowledge, or actually be thought, yes, but it feels more like some part of myself then an outside entity.

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#13 Posted : 3/24/2015 8:23:08 PM

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Excellent post.Thumbs up
I think every new dmt explorer should go trough phase of having multiple experiences with small incremental higher doses in each experience. So you can actually see and feel for your self how much difference is between each dose so you can find that sweet spot that works for you.
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#14 Posted : 3/25/2015 2:05:00 PM

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hardboiled wrote:
Excellent post.Thumbs up
I think every new dmt explorer should go trough phase of having multiple experiences with small incremental higher doses in each experience. So you can actually see and feel for your self how much difference is between each dose so you can find that sweet spot that works for you.



My thoughts exactly!

I started at 10 mg, as I got familiar and comfortable with that, I began testing 15 mg every once and a while, while generally still keeping it at 10 for most adventures.

At this point, 15 is my new 10, and 20 is my new 15 Laughing

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