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friken
#1 Posted : 7/6/2014 7:43:35 PM

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I'd like other's input, but I think I found my exhaustion limit of dmt intake for a day. For a little exp background I've had 100 or so smoked dmt trips prior and a half dozen or so mimosa/rue teas.... now for the fun day:

I have been doing my smoked dmt trips w a gvg, enhanced leaf 1:1 mint/dmt. I've been looking to go back to mimosa tea or a pharma because I'm frustrated by the very short time to work with the trip. My smoked dmt trips are abount 3 min of deep trip w 2 min of coming out and near baseline 5-8min total. I was told changa would double that, but I only had the mint/dmt I already made. I did however have some harmala fb. I read about using the harmala fb sub lingually to lengthen trip by double so I thought I would try it.

WOW WOW WOW WOW Smile

I put 50mg of harmala fb under my tounge and it tasted like crap. about 5 min later I gvg'd 60mg (30mg dmt 30 mint). and had a nice ease into a deep very very visual trip. and it just wouldn't stop! 30-40 min in I was slowly coming down and decided to hit another 50mg(25/25)...wow again.... just kept on going and going and going. at around the hour and a half mark I was out of the deep trip but still open eye tripping so I went to my back yard. all the plants were intense, paterns jumping out of everything etc. I sat and enjoyed it for another 30 min.

Back inside, I did two more trips of 30-40 min deep trip w 30 min comedowns. 4-5 trips over the course of 5-6 hours. I stopped after a cycle of life trip:

I've been juicing lots of veggies lately to lose some weight. My last trip I couldn't get out of my body and felt like I was in terribly uncomfortable position no matter what I tried. The visuals were heavy but I couldn't disconnect from my body like usual. I thought about why is this so difficult and I started hearing/seeing and FEELING the screaming agony of all the plants I've been grinding up to juice. Not just the act of it but all that screaming plant matter was coursing through my veins and system. It was really something. I felt terrible, real heart pulling terrible that I was causing so much pain. Then followed a 30-40 min deep meditation like trip about cycle of life and how all life, at least on this realm, kills other life to sustain itself. I only started feeling better when coming to terms with my own mortality knowing that I too am a temporary creature and would be feeding the worms, maggots, magpies, and soil soon enough.

Total for the day was 5-6 hours of really interesting and awesome trips. but I was EXHAUSTED! I mean mega, mega exhausted. I also started getting a headache, maybe I let blood pressure get a bit out of hand... not sure.
 

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jamie
#2 Posted : 7/6/2014 10:38:40 PM

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well..50mg fb sublingual harmalas is a pretty damn big dose..concidering that its like 10x stronger sublingual opposed to oral..

yes, that would def do it to potnetiate vaped DMT..or cause some visions on it's own.
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#3 Posted : 7/7/2014 3:57:04 AM

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Yea man lots of harmalas and smoking until satisfaction, or saturation is my favorite way to go.

Just being able to go up for those longer periods but having the ability to come down and sit in a rue or caapi haze that still retains some DMT glimmer is a great way to work with the plants IME. You can always go back up, or just come down and enjoy the rue/caapi insights.

I don't do it often but it always gets me waaaay deeper than I thought I would be able to handle in a more gentle fashion than smoking one huge hit of freebase. Just ease yourself into it with different doses. Doing one breakthrough and then a bunch of smaller hits to give a kind of medium left lingering Aya trip is useful along with any other combinations of large and small doses. Experiment!

Juicing is good, but maybe you are overdoing it? Just listen to yourself and your body and find a happy medium.

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Tyler_Trismegistus
#4 Posted : 7/7/2014 4:12:35 AM

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I too prefer to work with it this way. Tonight I took 1.5g of mushrooms lemon tek'd and once I felt the effects, I packed my bong a bunch of times with changa sandwitched with freebase. It's very hard for me to explain what was going on because I had no idea lol. Maybe after I sleep it'll start falling into order. I remember my philosophy behind taking another hit and going further was "Well shit I'm already dead anyway and so is everyone else so its totally fine to explore the world beyond" For a good hour or two I literally thought I was dead.
 
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#5 Posted : 7/7/2014 5:21:06 AM

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great times eh! Thumbs up
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#6 Posted : 7/7/2014 4:33:19 PM

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Of course! Smile Very great times! I'm just stoked that I'm not really dead haha. Every time my ego would come back a little bit I was like "Oh no I'm probably in the hospital or something and I'm going to have to explain to my family my drug use and they're gonna be so disappointed since I got out of rehab 4 months ago" .... So I would just take another hit and die for a little while longer to get those thoughts out of my head haha.
 
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#7 Posted : 7/8/2014 5:03:28 AM

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as far as how much is too much in a day? i've learned to just let the dmt tell me. when i first really got into dmt (big sack of it Smile) to where i COULD do it as much as i want i did it frequently in the evenings, with an hour spacing between each trip (no harmalas though). eventually when i smoked it nothing happpened (like it has a mind of its own :0); this led me to do it less often but go all out when i do. so i tend to cross that dmt bridge when i come to it
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#8 Posted : 7/16/2014 3:48:45 AM

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This is a little bit of a tricky topic. I want to encourage what is safest for you, and will create a situation from which you can hopefully benefit the most, but I also want to be honest with you about how I had been in the past. Many people refer to their early encounters with DMT as their "honeymoon" period, and this period may be often characterized by what some would be consider to be excessive use, but the whole issue is rather subjective. There were times where I might have smoked DMT 5 times in one day. Now this is to be conventionally discouraged because of the strong feelings of periods of break in order to facilitate integration. However, there had been those occasions where I had smoked the DMT rather frequently throughout the day, and noticed no real negative benefit in myself. Now perhaps I simply had a certain character or affinity to the experience to be able to endure that particular constant psychic onslaught, but how much is too much is hard to say. Due to the short nature of the experience, there can be times when one might feel it necessary to pursue multiple attempts in order to try and receive a more complete message from hyperspace.

It seems to me that you are upping the ante in this high stakes game of roulette. Going multiple times in a row might lead to an exponentially better experience than the first, or it could land you in your worst nightmare. The gamble, or the throw of the dice becomes all the more polarized. If you feel you should be slowing down in your use, then you'll have to take those steps. If you feel safe in your practices, then I wouldn't let the guilt of others weigh you down. Overall, just be safe! [edit]: of course there is also the possibility of winding up with a completely mundane, underwhelming experience too.
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