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dark-king
#1 Posted : 2/9/2014 7:59:43 PM

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After a lot of study and two weeks after a MHRB cyb pull I decided to start experimenting.
I had 4 experiences which were all very different and now I am a bit scarred to try more even though I want to.

THIS IS PRETTY LONG. So I propose you dont read it unless you like long detailed stuff or read only one of the trip reports at least Smile I RECOMMEND YOU READ THE 3rd REPORT PLEASE TO OFFER SOME INPUT. That ONE STRESSES ME THE MOST !

I will try to briefly explain the 4 trials.
Note: I have only a 0.01 and I am sure it's too cheap to be accurate it even cheats me on bigger items ...so I mostly tried to weigh and eyeballed going on the principle start small and see what happens.

1.
set = alone in room, pc monitors providing bright light in a dim room with window ...outside getting dark.

method = I packed a bong sandwich with weed and I put a small about 1.5BB gun pellet size (est 30mg on scale). I ripped 2 powerful tokes, but I stupidly had the flame directly on the herb sandwich.

result = I almost dropped the glass bong on the floor while trying to lie into bed. I fall on my back and boom ! the window starts glittering and moving from squares to triangles to rectangles and all very geometric, but pretty well shaped. Colors of the brighter spectrum were blinking like christmass tree lights on various spots of the window and I suddenly got frightened. "I got the oh god ! what had I done feeling", followed by "I will go to hyperspace and I will never come back". I remember this feeling started when I first closed my eyes to see if the window will stop shifting. However when I closed my eyes that's when I started feeling the PULL !. Man it was like riding a motorcycle almost... but more like being pulled by a magnet upwards. All vibrating, my head, my brain, my soul. Almost like a plane tremmoring just before it lifts off the ground.
I got scared and started fighting this realizing it wasn't the best time to take off not being prepared enough.

Soon the pull force diminished and I just enjoyed the visuals and vibrant lifting feeling. But my eyes were tearing heavily and I had difficulties focusing my vision at times (anyone experience this ??)

after about 10 more minutes of interesting minor pattern and peripheral hallucinations as I call them (the moves you see with the corner of the eyes but when you turn there is nothing)
I was left sleepy even though I wasn't tired. Went to sleep.

2.The next day.
I read more (all day at work - nexus + R. Strassman pdf, I meditated a bit before, thought of my reasons.

set: alone in room, mid-day, light outside my window.

method: this time loaded the same eyeballed 30mg estimate amount in my double sphere GVG. I vaporised it miserably since I am not experienced in vaporizing.

Again I almost drop the pipe but I knew and felt I would handle another pull. I was scared to do so and in result I wouldnt rech hyperspace.

result:
less visuals but suddenly my room starts almost falling apart. like blocks shifting and some pieces dropping down and all dissipating into blocks. Again all very geometrical and again some bright colours this time on the outline of shapes. I start feeling a pull (like some opposite of gravitational force which seems to pull my brain and upper body or at least tries to do so. Its vibrating and pleasant, an uplifting feeling. But a lot less intense than first time. So I close my eyes and decide to explore some mind visuals.
I was very very pleased. In 2 seconds with eyes closed I starts seeing concentrical kaleidoscopes perfectly shaped, turning slowly and gently in perfect harmony and in a very precise fashion. The shapes change and from mazed circles they go to triangles, pyramids, circles again, ovals... I try to stop thinking and being tense and let the visual tame me somewhere and than ...boom ! I started feeling how my mind was leaving its 3D form and it was more and more uniting with a 2D grey paper like thin rectangle shape and it was an amazing mental feeling united with the gentle pull feeling. I never felt my mind unite in synergy with anything ever. And the transition from a 3D irregularly shaped neuron filled mind into a blank grey sheet felt amazingly pleasant.

I slowly lost this feeling and returned to some kaleidoscopes which dissipated in the next 8-10 minutes.
I was left enchanted and amazed by the feeling and euphoric and was ready to try more the same day.

3.this experience scarred me the most
set= I was waiting for a trip sitter to come. The only one who knows about this spice and who is scared of it too. This was the same day as 2nd experiment. decided it would be better for someone to watch me. he had a slightly negative non-breaktrough but couldnt motivate it expect for being scared of opening his conciousnes.

I prepare a slightly bigger GVG load ...maybe 35-40mg. I vape it decently and boom !.
as soon as my friend took the pipe I lay down under a blanket and he sits reading ... I start seeing dark shades around everything and I started feeling a strong pull. All was turning into oval roughly shaped shaky forms...even my before beutifully outlined window ...it was now shaky with grey and black shadows and the pull was almost evil ...downward..not upward like before. I was being sucked in against my will not being helped to life of the ground.
I felt pressure and stress and fear from the side of the room where my friend was sitting quietly reading.

I closed my eyes hoping to see the kaleidoscope and I started seeing maze shapes ..but very crude irregular, asymetric and in dark colors.
I got even more scared but the evil pull was diminishing.
I was so pissed after it stopped in 5 minutes. I was happy I didnt get sucked into evil land but angry my friend not willingly ruined my enthusiasm from the morning.

Did this ever happen to you ???

I trust this friend. I trust him a lot. We do a lot of such activities and we are good life-long friends. We don't have many like us around where we live. Many others are close-minded. We think we are more liberal.

So my question is : Does it happen often that one gets a bad trip ? what is the probability ...roughly ...like 1 in 10 ? more ??
I am scared of ego-death even though I need it ...


experience nr 4 will be posted later. to keep things shorter now Smile









 

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Mister_Niles
#2 Posted : 2/9/2014 8:36:21 PM

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Low doses are uncomfortable and almost always unpleasant for me. Dim confusing trips. If you don't have a scale, you may be putting in very large doses, or small doses depending on the density of the crystal. You can't possibly eyeball a dose, unless you are a scale. Buy a milligram scale. Consider buying a GVG. Use a copper mesh disc and a torch lighter. I don't know what the thing you called a "double sphere GVG" is, but it doesn't look like a GVG to me. Looks more like a meth pipe. You are possibly burning spice, which can cause icky trips.

Open eyes is no good for me either. The dmt experience for me is an internal experience. Try eyes closed. Have no expectations. Surrender.

There seems to be a trend on the Nexus lately of people recommending starting with low doses. I disagree. 30+ mg. in a GVG, with a pretty good technique works for me. My first trip was a breakthrough on 60mg using the sandwich method in blue lotus. It was incredibly intense and scary and beautiful. Some people report success with lower doses, but they have developed a good technique, with good, proven gear, over time.

Be patient. Have no expectations in the beginning. Good set and setting. For setting I find that my bed works really well, with very low light. I go solo these days, but if you feel the need for a sitter, by all means use one. Someone who you feel very comfortable around.

Take your time. Invest in good equipment. It will pay for itself. If you smoke cannabis, buy a GVG and practice for a few months with that. When you are good at vaping the cannabis, without burning it, then try the dmt again. Dmt is serious business. It's amazing and fun, but can be life changing. No reason to rush things.
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User1911
#3 Posted : 2/9/2014 10:48:46 PM

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Drop the cannibis from the equation. Vape just spice. Trip sitters are not needed imo. Alone is best, in a dark room replace the PC monitors with a simple candle, far away from you obviously. Set and setting plays a big role, do a bit of cleaning up before hand, take care of any real world buisness you need to before travelling also helps.

Turn the trip sitter into a travel buddy and him come with you, I find this helps ease the awkwardsness of being the only one in space. Ive had great sessions with friends just smoking changa watching chillstep mixes on youtube, the ones with the still pictures its really amazing you see the still pictures take depth and morph they seem to play like a movie.

Just relax give it a day or two in between sessions or else it seems to turn dark. Just have to find the right spot that you enjoy and always approach with respect. Try making some changa instead its a more natural feeling and does not annihalte you in 8 seconds. The come up is slower and less chance to freak out.
 
dark-king
#4 Posted : 2/10/2014 7:48:38 PM

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Thank you for the input guys !

but now I feel I have to ask why the low light ? everyone talks about it ...but doesnt that lead you to a dark / frightening / threatening place ? Isn't it nicer to ascend with you cielling being lit by bright lights ?

I had my lamp on once and when I was facing it eyes closed it seemed friendly, when I turned my face the other direction from the light the patterns turned darker in color and shape Sad

I also clean up (and am a bit maniac with that)
I decided for solo ...worst can happen I hope I can handle ..but am too selfconscious to travel while being observed
My friend and I also called my pipe ...a meth pipe Smile)

I am currently working on some changa
 
 
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