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CrazyDude
#1 Posted : 1/8/2014 1:45:55 AM
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I don't know if it is the right place for a trip-report, but really would like to have an insight on it from the DMT community.

I'm what one would consider to be an educated person. I read books, I'm curious to learn new things, capable of doing researches, able to use logic, analyze, etc. With good theoretical knowledge of different spiritual\esoterica traditions and practices, sacred texts (advayta).

Before attempting on DMT I did not have much experience with psychodelics, actually it was just one time, when I was 20 years old. Cooked some ayahuasca and got a bad trip because of sticking too much to my ego (as I realized later), although have seen very spiritual and beautiful, really touching things while on it. Also I use to smoke weed, and have been a lot of times in the K and MXE spaces.
I like dissociatives pretty much and have been so comfortable with the experience of K-hole, that probably could build a house and live there. Read and listened Terrence Mckenna stuff, researched Erowid, tripreports. So I thought I was well prepared for the effects of this drug!
Jesus Christ, I was so brave, I wanted to see another dimensions, to experience the hyperspace Terrence describes so pompeously... Deep and beautiful... I envisioned it will be the same cold stillness of the K-hole, just in a more colorful and vivid way, with extra added spiritual feeling.

But how fucking mistaken I wasBig grin

So I measured a 50 mg of DMT mix (pure white DMT and yellow DMT oxide) sandwiched it between a layer of poor, almost inert, weed. Tried to gently vaporize the DMT holding the flame over the the bong bowl and slowly inhaling. The first toke I held for about 5 seconds, it was mostly weed I think, mixed with some DMT vapor. The smoke was not harsh or plastic, it was OK, nothing strange.
Then I did the second toke, a deeeeeeeeeeeep one. And still having the vapor in my lungs, I saw how the reality changes. It was merely a feeling, but it was so intense and overwhelming. Perplexing.
And then everything in the room started to fade or darken and it was just "bang!" - like if someone opens a bottle of champain and the cosmic wind blows your mind out of your body. You are becoming someone or something completely different than before. And this feeling is so real! With the remains of my fading consciousness I understood that someone else has come into my mind and that something fucking crazy is just about to start happening. It was a sensation of someone being present within you, like your alter ego... and it was kind of demonic one. I would even say it was close in appearance to the DMT devil from "Fear and Loathing". I think now, that it might have been induced by the strange and unpleasant smell of the DMT vapor - it somewhat resembles burnt sulphur.

In general immediately after I took the stuff I had the sensation of cheap and strange "don Juan" style magic, the world of spirits and shamans thing. It was quite unpleasant and dirty, totally contrary to the sensation of the divin.
I even thought: "This must be how people obsessed by devil feel". And it was horrifying, I thought I will never be "normal" again.

I was standing in front of the window, with the bong in my hands. I struggled to put the bong on the table and fall into a chair next to me starring on the wall.
Unfortunately I did not know about CE and stayed with open eyes all the trip. Well, at least I think they were opened. At the time of the trip I did not even realize I have eyes...

As I fell on the chair I entered a dream-like state. The wall in front of me started glittering and shimmering with different colors and light, everything shaked and looked unstable. Everything moved in front of me, and I saw couple of aztec-like signs, and then I saw some entities. I could only observe them, paralyzed. They were like buffons. Ball-like tiny creatures wearing I would say hoods, although I'm not sure. I do not remember well how they looked. But they did not resemble the "elves" I expected. They looked differently, more silly and simple, more funny, giggling, running and twinkling with different colors in front of me.
What I observed was not interesting, nor high-lofted, appealing, divine, spiritual or goddish, but EXTREMLY BIZARRE. So fucking bizarre and real, that I feared that I'm out of my mind and began to deny and resist the effects of the drug.
I was trying to save my identity, my personality. Like a straw for the drowning man, you know. In attempts to get my thoughts organized I got a complete, total mental disorder. It was very horrifying and I also felt something in my mouth and throat, like when eating hair or if you have a worm or snake there, or some bug... And while I felt this, I thought that I'm a madman, for what I experienced was so horrifying and not corresponding to what I have read and was expecting. I felt how my consciousness has shifted. And by all means I tried to resist that shift and the effects of the drug. It was soooooooooooo difficult.

I started to understand that I'm back, little by little, in a very-very tiny portions. And it was unstable, like waves - more madness, less madness... Suddenly I felt a strong deja vu, like if I already did this before. Like if I already have received DMT by post before, have smoked it and had the same setting in same chair. Like if I have been in this state before and liked it. It was a strong feeling and it gave me some kind of relief. But I was already able to remember something about my earthly being and so realized that this was a deja vu, since in reality it was my first time with DMT.

A lot of visuals came from objects in the room, everything was morfing and resembling the ayahuasca visuals. They blended with the "normal" room and it was not so horrifying anymore. I said to myself: "Ok, this is already nothing. I will bear with this a little bit more. Remember it doesn't last long, you will survive."
More intense visuals returned for a second, the wall shaked and shimmered with many different colors. I felt something and suddenly involuntary laughed. I realized how absurd and silly it all looked. I bought this shit for $50 to make fool out of myself, experience holy crap mental terror and then try to "return to normal life"! I also laughed because I understood how ridiculous were my expectations of DMT, and that in fact I very much underestimated the power of this compound.
I also felt a little depressed, for the sensation of "cheap magic" still resided. I thought the breakthrough will be absolutely different. It is probably partially related to the fact I stayed with open eyes and there was enough electric light in the room.

So, what it was? Any ideas?Smile Was it not enough clean stuff, or inapropriate set n setting, or this is normal for DMT? Or might be I'm really mad? Immune to real DMT effects?Smile

Questions are also welcome.

And thanks for reading!








 

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anrchy
#2 Posted : 1/8/2014 3:17:11 AM

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Great read although i would omit that part about paying for it.

As for your questions at the bottom. There are two reasons to not have any expectations when going to hyperspace.

1: it cannot be explained to those that have not done it.

2: you cannot predict how any of your experiences are going to go.

That said, there is no "normal" for dmt. Except maybe the fast onset and short duration, but even that has been different for me a few times.

Your experience is yours and yours alone. Your experience might be able to be chaulked up to a bad set and setting but i doubt it. You never know whats in store for you.

Cherish the difficult ones. You can learn a lot from them. Sometimes more so than the more pleasant experiences. Dont expect it, dont expect anything.
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#3 Posted : 1/8/2014 3:19:01 AM

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So, what it was? Any ideas? Was it not enough clean stuff, or inappropriate set n setting, or this is normal for DMT? Or might be I'm really mad? Immune to real DMT effects?

The fact that you are asking those above questions means you definitely smoked DMT. Normally you will come back with more questions than you went in with.
I am not totally convinced you had a complete breakthrough, possibly just strong visuals, but I could be wrong.
"It was quite unpleasant and dirty, totally contrary to the sensation of the divin." that is normally the feeling you get on lower doses, very uncomfortable body load but with strong visuals and the feeling someone is there.
Also next time you smoke make sure you are sitting or lying down because if you totally broke through I think you would collapse on the spot and your eyes would shut almost immediately.

Also make sure you are using a torch lighter to smoke with as if vap's the spice quicker and easier, a normal lgihter is hard to work with and you probably didnt smoke the full amount loaded.


Also you are not Immune to real DMT effects you just need to smoke more (better technique) and you will experience something different.

Hopefully that has helped somewhat.Thumbs up
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anrchy
#4 Posted : 1/8/2014 3:25:34 AM

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I would also be careful with dose size. Lower the amount and perfect yout technique. A full on 50 mg dose would have rocked you so hard, its literally impossible to explain except... Dont do it.

You can check out the link in my sig for advice on dose sizes and methods.
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#5 Posted : 1/8/2014 4:16:13 AM

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Yeah, sorry when I say smoke more I DONT mean load more i mean get more vap'd, 50 mg is a lot especially for someone new to pysc's. - anrchy good spot Thumbs up

Perfect you smoking technique, use a torch lighter as I mentioned, this will help you vap a lot more. I would half the amount loaded and see how you get on.
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#6 Posted : 1/8/2014 3:48:57 PM
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Thank you all for your input. And sorry for a long tale - it was my first experience so I decided to write it up in all possible details.

Definitely more questions than answers.Smile It turned out to be not what I expected and that's what probably induced a bad trip. I should not have any expectations, nor pre-conceptions. Also, I should have let go everything, instead of trying to attach to my ego and fight the effects of DMT. But as you know sometimes it is easier to say than to do.Smile

If that was not a breakthrough yet, then I'm not sure I'm actually ready for a real breakthrough.Very happy
I'll try to perfect my vaporization technique as advised and will experiment with lower dosage.

One thing not yet clear to me, is why after smoking it I got this feeling of magic going on. Not the "Harry Potter" type, but something real, like what Castaneda described. I'm not very much into this, even did not read properly Castaneda, I do not study shamanism either...

I read somewhere, that the DMT oxide (yellow) may cause a more "jungle" and earthy experience. Also, I read that in Mckenna times the DMT was actually synthetized, it was very pure, not even potentially mixed with other plant alkaloids. Do you believe it could partially be the case as well?

What I learned is that under Ketamine you preserve your consciousness. Yes, it is altered and deprived of all senses, an open floating mind, but it is YOURS. While DMT replaces your being with something different. I did not feel like I was "myself" anymore. Probably ego destruction is one of the DMT milestones. And it is a damn scary one.

 
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#7 Posted : 1/8/2014 4:18:58 PM

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CrazyDude wrote:
One thing not yet clear to me, is why after smoking it I got this feeling of magic going on.


well, because magic IS going on, if DMT isn't magic I don't know what is.Thumbs up

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#8 Posted : 1/8/2014 7:59:40 PM

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The only difference i have seen between yellow and white dmt, is the yellow is more dense. The experience seems no different.

Learning not to resist the experience is important, but that should come with time. I played around with low doses for quite awhile before my first breakthrough.
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