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humaneyes
#1 Posted : 12/29/2013 3:27:37 PM

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So today is the morning after I first tried aya. It was a failed attempt. It ended up being a little trippy (almost like Nyquil, if I had to compare it to something), but nothing like the spiritual journey as it has been described. I'm hoping you guys could give me some insight/opinions on where you believe I went wrong, as well as what I can do to improve upon my technique.

I'll start with my preparation.
I ordered 50g of shredded B. caapi as well as 50g of Chaliponga leaves from a supplier (without much research on reputation, probably error #1). All 50g of shredded caapi vine as well as 15g of Chaliponga leaves were placed in a big pot of distilled water + 1-2 tsp of white vinegar, enough to cover the plant matter. I'm aware this is a fairly light dose, and I think next time I'd to take a much stronger dose. I simmered (not boiled, error #2?) once for 20 min, second time 30 min, third time 50 min. (I read that adding the vinegar changes the pH in order to decrease cook times, possibly error #3). Each boil was strained through a cotton t-shirt into another large pot, and the contents of this pot were then reduced down to fit into a mason jar.

Effects (estimated times).
t-0:00 Drank the contents of the jar after short meditation. Terrible, but doable. Could hardly taste the vinegar, if at all.
t-0:30 Started feeling a little woozy, nothing all that strange, though.
t-0:45 A little difference in perception, hallucinogenic thinking. Still not very intense.
t-1:00 Very, very sleepy. Gave up initial meditation to lie in bed. Starting to feel like I screwed it up.
t-1:30 Ate an apple to try to push it through my digestive system, I read somewhere that this is sometimes necessary. Did nothing.
t-3:00 Very little change in disposition. Fell asleep.

A few things I'm considering:
I've read that Chaliponga tends to widely vary on potency, although I still have ~30g left. I might try 20g+ next time, just to make sure. I also plan on ordering powdered caapi vine because I forgot to pound the shredded bits that I ordered, and I plan on ordering at least 100g, if not more, in order to make a more potent brew. Also, quite a bit of brown stain were left on the reduction pot as well as the t shirt filter, and I couldn't help but think that I was losing a lot of the alkaloids in those stains. Is this just me being paranoid?
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#2 Posted : 12/29/2013 5:39:13 PM

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15g of quality chaliponga would kick my ass into oblivion. Some maya chaliponga gives a decent trip as low as 2 grams.

I'd say that most likely culprit is insufficient MAOI. You mentioned mason jar with both substances mixed together - probably the culprit is right there. The volume is too large. Also I always found that drinking it separately is more efficient.

Do this - boil MAOI separately. If its shredded caapi, do longer boils. At least an hour boil each, if not longer. Vinegar isn't necessary, and it makes it taste nasty once properly reduced. After combining all boils, reduce it down to 150ml or less.

Chaliponga - make sure you near powder(cofee grinder) it instead of using crushed leaves. Also do few boils till it stops getting that deep red-purple color and reduce everything to same amount of 150ml or less. I'd suggest using no more than 5g for your first try.

Then drink maoi first, wait 10-15min followed by chaliponga
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#3 Posted : 12/29/2013 5:58:21 PM

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Thank you! I'll definitely try that next time. And thanks for the heads up on the chali...might have been a bit much.
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#4 Posted : 12/29/2013 10:51:44 PM

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Sad to hear it didn't work out for you.

I would edit your first post and have a read of the site rules.
Asking for a supplier isn't allowed.
Most substance forums have this rule it protects the owners and admins of the site.

I hope your next journey goes to plan.

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humaneyes
#5 Posted : 12/30/2013 7:48:16 PM

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Ahh I was worried about that. I figured it meant talking about the actual supplier, which is why I asked to have it PM'd. I'll get rid of it. Thanks for the heads up!
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#6 Posted : 12/30/2013 9:16:51 PM

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my earlier reply implicitly answered "that" question actually Wut?

Also give updates how it worked out! I would say that most aya failures are due to insufficient MAOI. One good sign MAOI worked well(and perhaps too much, but it doesn't hurt) is vertigo and tracers. Whenever those signs are up, aya never fails for me, even if its taken 1 hour after MAOI.
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#7 Posted : 12/30/2013 10:37:07 PM



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Up the caapi amount and brew it for much longer than that....3 x 3hour boils is standard

Depending on the vine 50g caapi can sometimes be a very small dose



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humaneyes
#8 Posted : 1/1/2014 5:03:14 PM

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Yesterday I happened upon some syrian rue seeds. I was planning on trying caapi again and I know it isn't the traditional recipe, but it seemed as if the situation felt more fluid if I used the rue instead. I was told that 4g tends to be standard so I will most likely try that next. Last night, I made two cups of mushroom tea to share with some friends, and I decided to let a couple grams of rue seeds steep with the rest of the mix. I think it may have given me a bit of a taste of ayahuasca (coming from an inexperienced observer, of course). I'm excited for what is to come. I'll keep you guys updated!
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humaneyes
#9 Posted : 1/4/2014 5:07:41 PM

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Tried ~5g of chali + 4g rue. Almost worked. Very dreamy, very nearly purged, some minor visuals. Not quite, though. I woke up feeling amazing, but that wasn't the goal. I think my leaves may be a bit less potent than those Mr. Smith was speaking of. I'm going to up it to 9g next time, and I'll be doing 5g rue instead of 4.
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humaneyes wrote:
Tried ~5g of chali + 4g rue. Almost worked. Very dreamy, very nearly purged, some minor visuals. Not quite, though. I woke up feeling amazing, but that wasn't the goal. I think my leaves may be a bit less potent than those Mr. Smith was speaking of. I'm going to up it to 9g next time, and I'll be doing 5g rue instead of 4.


I think you are prob correct about the weaker chaliponga leaves. I recently tried a batch of chali and it was much less potent by weight than powdered acrb. No way to prove this as fact, without an analysis of dmt levels in the leaves...but it did seem much weaker to me. I think you're on the right track with increasing the chali. Keep on brewing! You will find the sweet spot, eventually Smile
 
 
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