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...can it be done in a microwave? And would CaSO4 (gamma-anhydrite) be preferable over MgSO4 (mono-hydrate) as a drying agent for acetone or not? Thanks My avatar was taken from google images and is actually a work of art by NEIL GIBSON, credit where credit is due! Bodies don't have souls - souls have bodies Old enough to know better, young enough to try again
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Synaptic cleft explorer
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Yes, you can dehydrate either in a microwave.
Both will work to dehydrate acetone. They behave somewhat differently when they absorb water. CaSO4 should remain solid while reverting to the hydrated form. MgSO4 will also, but if there is a lot of water it may turn into a syrup. Although the syrup will form the bottom layer from which your solvent can be easily decanted. Most often there is not eneough water present in acetone to do this.
In the past sister used to toss a few clumps of MgSO4, directly into the fresh can of acetone so that any atmospheric water that gets into the acetone would be absorbed, making the acetone ready to use off the shelf at any time
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Thanks... Do you have an idea as to how long they should be microwaved or any other advice regarding this procedure? My avatar was taken from google images and is actually a work of art by NEIL GIBSON, credit where credit is due! Bodies don't have souls - souls have bodies Old enough to know better, young enough to try again
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CaSO4 is considered better than MgSO4 for dehydrating solvents for a couple of reasons. In the case of acetone, it has much less of a Lewis acid catalytic effect which with MgSO4 can cause a condensation reaction producing mesityl oxide and water, which is a little counter-productive, but if you're not letting the acetone stand on the MgSO4 for too long it's not that much of a concern. Also CaSO4 is more efficient at drying even though you have to use more of it, and it doesn't liquefy if there's lots of water in the solvent. I think for the intended purposes here, there's pretty much an equal preference either way. “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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Synaptic cleft explorer
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dooby wrote:Thanks...
Do you have an idea as to how long they should be microwaved ? When MgSO4 is dehydrated is changes from a clear/transparent cystalline structure to an entirely opaque white chalky structure which will fuse together and be quite brittle. It has been a while, but if memory serves it actually melts in the oven then forms the opaque white fused look when it is fully dehydrated. Then you need to pulverize it to get it to a powder form again.
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I'll try a small amount in the microwave - fingers crossed... My avatar was taken from google images and is actually a work of art by NEIL GIBSON, credit where credit is due! Bodies don't have souls - souls have bodies Old enough to know better, young enough to try again
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I like mgso4 bacause of the easy calculations; fully hydrated epsom salts lose half their weight when baked in the oven and it follows that they absorb their weight in water. e.g. 100 g of epsom salts dehydrate to roughly 50g of anhydrous mgso4; and these 50g can absorb up to ~50g (or 50ml, same thing) of water. Need to calculate between salts and freebases? Click here! Need to calculate freebase or salt percentage at a given pH? Click here!
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