Hello, all.

This post is about Salvia, as you may have guessed.
I will begin with my first experience with this substance, which was a few years ago.

A friend of mine had purchased a Salvia starter pack online, simply because he'd heard things about it and it was legal to purchase. Also, he thought it would be fun to try. One night, while I was at another friends house, spending time with still more friends, the Salvia (which was in extract form), ended up with all of us -- about six people all together. We decided to try it, it being the first time for all of us except the friend who bought it. I had heard nothing about it from him save descriptions of experiences which peaked my interest. Before this time, I had never used any hallucinogenics, and I had only minor experience with Marijuana (my first experience with that was horrifying for me, but this post is not about that).

So, we all gathered on the trampoline in the back yard, packed a bowlfull of 10x, and started passing it around. I was somewhere mid-sequence, so I got a decent hit. All I remember from that trip was a lot of laughing, my laughing stemming mostly from the laughing of my friend. I had never heard him laugh so hard ever, and it was a very pleasant laugh -- I could not help but laugh too.

After we all calmed down, we decided that we wanted to pack another bowl. That time, I was last in the sequence, and I did not get enough to feel anything. One friend to my right uttered a slightly scared, "What the FUCK," which led to more laughing from the others. After their trips were over, I inquired about their experiences. The majority of them, including the one to my right, experienced some kind of rolling / tossing sensation, as if in a giant spinning machine. There was also an air of urgency and malevolence for some of them.

Later that night, I wanted to try it again, having not tripped the previous time. As I and perhaps four others sat around a table on the back patio, I took a hit of 5x. This time, I most definitely tripped. I can only remember themes of the trip, which were mostly a Playmobile-type setting, vibrant unrealistic colors, and, well, that's all I remember of trip really. I do remember noting how the play of the floodlight shining on us from a distance seemed to transform the metal table (which was of a classic diamond mesh style) into a kind of bench. Perhaps I was sitting on the bench or some strange clown-like being was sitting on it. I also remember, coming out of the trip, that I was able to see the coherent visuals fade away slowly back to normal, almost like a mosaic transition between photo slides, but the tiles were very small like pixels. I attempted to "wave" the visuals away, much like waving away bugs, so that I could see my friends again and tell them about my experience. They said that I was talking to someone (I think), and that I was making motions as if I were stacking boxes. Throughout this experience, I did not feel frightened, only astounded at how strange and vivid the experience was. That was it for Salvia time with my friends.

Upon returning home late that night, I packed a small bowl of 20x that my friend let me have after expressing my interest in continuing my Salvia exploration. It was warm, so I had my shirt off (possibly relevant later). I was standing next to my dresser when I took a hit and held it, placing my bong down on said dresser. I don’t remember exactly how long I had to hold it, but I don’t think it was longer than ten seconds before I no longer existed in my room. I don’t even remember exhaling the smoke. However I got to where I went (which wasn’t very coherent to say the least), it was not an easy transition. I felt as if I was torn out of my previous reality with force, and it was very scary, but I had no time to react.
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I will pause the story here to say something very significant to my later experiences. After this 20x trip, every time I had gone back to Salvia, the initial feeling and visuals have been exactly the same. After thinking back on this one and ones I have had within the last few months (three, I think), I can compare the feeling to being ripped / zipped / torn / pealed open and simultaneously becoming a tooth / peg / part of the zipper. Another way I’ve thought to describe it is having a curtain drawn back, but I am a part of the curtain – a very frightening experience for me. Also, it feels as if some massive malevolent force is the thing doing this to me, and as the trip comes on (extremely quickly) I get the feeling that it is saying something like, “Are ya ready? Huh? HUH? ARE YA? TOO LATE!” These visuals are accompanied by the most intensely uncomfortable pins-and-needles-like feeling, which almost feels burning cold, and the feeling of being physically morphed. One more thing I will note is that the (possibly) three trips I experiences more recently have not been had to completion, as I was so frightened by the above-explained sensations and visuals that I “aborted” the trip. I’ll explain those experiences later.

Hmm. After looking back on what I’ve just typed, I realize that part of what I said can be taken as part of the 20x trip story above. Sew them together in your mind, if you would.
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I was somewhere else entirely. I hardly remember what I saw or experienced, but the clearest thing in my mind (although the memory may have been altered during sober thought) is something akin to becoming the thoughts I was thinking, as if I was the thought of the thought of my thought of the thought etc. Writing this now, I can say that it had a very fractal-like formation (didn’t know about fractals before), whatever I was seeing. I found myself regaining somewhat normal consciousness face down on my carpet in a different part of my room. I guess I walked over there and either fell or, more likely, lied down on my belly. My arms were outstretched in front of me, and I remember clawing at the carpet as if to pull myself out of something. The whole room was spinning much like it would after you spin around and stop abruptly, but it was vertical, not horizontal. But that’s not quite accurate. Imagine looking at a 3D wheel so you see the narrow, outer side. It is segmented and each segment contains copies of your room. As I lay there, this wheel was spinning and “layering” my physical body back into this reality. This may not have been the actual experience, but it is to the best of my memory.

Another important thing I remember is repeatedly saying, “This is it? This is it?” I believe that what I was seeing I thought to be how everything really works, and finally seeing something like that after wondering for years (I think I was 17 or 18 at the time) is simultaneously awesome and almost a downer, now not having to wonder about the biggest mystery of all anymore. Of course, there is no way to know for sure if what I saw really is how it all works, but damn was it real. It was the realest feeling thing I ever experienced, which makes it that much scarier. Another thing I remember saying, and this is after I had gotten up from my carpet and stumbled around my room for a bit, is something like, “Okay, okay. Put me back in.” I felt like I was talking to someone I could no longer see, and I don’t remember seeing any beings during the trip. When I said that, I think I was smirking to some degree; I don’t think I was frightened anymore. I remember that my back felt very tingly, as if the final layers of my physical body were being reformed. I went to sleep and woke up feeling fine, although I forgot most of the trip.

One thing I still think about, and this is probably the most frustrating, is that I don't remember if I actually enjoyed the trip after the extremely frightening "intro". I do remember though, without a doubt, that it was fucking crazy.

I am going to post what I have typed up so far and continue to type some more about related thoughts, feelings, and experiences. I would love to hear anything you have to say about this. I have much more to say. Thank you =]

http://www.salvia-trip.n...salvia_tricked_me-e1239/

This post is very similar to my experience with Salvia, feeling-wise.
Regarding this post and the one prior, I have posted the same ones on Bluelight as well. I'm just looking for insight and advice into these matters.

Reading my first post again, I realized that it pretty much describes all of the later “half-trips” as well. This post will touch partly on bits and pieces of these half-trips, but mostly on my after thoughts of them, including my after-after thoughts and what I think of them now. Here goes.

Firstly, I have never had the experience of being “lifted” out of my body or “floating” out of my body or anything that might be considered of gentle nature. Everything I feel is forceful and laced with malevolent intent, as if it’s saying, “Well now ya fucked up and you are going to pay for it.”

There was one thing I saw that really got me thinking, and that was a factory with many many “me’s” all hanging in a row on some moving line thing. I understand that this theme of copies or clones is widespread in the Salvia community. When I smoke it (which is all I’ve tried effectively), I get the agonizing feeling of being “disconnected” from whatever I was in prior to smoking it, and the feeling that I should not have done so. I feel at that point that something is coming for me, to get me, to dispose of me for some reason. It is as if it was waiting for the opportunity to do so, and that opportunity only arises when I use Salvia. It makes me feel so unimportant, as if I could simply be replaced. And I could be! All those clones are lined up, ready to replace me should I fuck up again.

But then I think, well, I have had one REAL experience, a full trip, on Salvia before, and I came back. But was that really me? Or was it one of these clones… Does that even matter? Is my consciousness still the same, just a different body? If so, why does it feel so heart wrenching when one of these copies is about to “go away”? I don’t know where they go.

This is all I will say for now. I am tired. Good night.

Hi Humming Goose,

Just wanted to say that I have had similar experiences (mostly related to your first post), especially when describing the room as spinning as you "came back" into your body. I have only had one crazy and dissociative experience with Salvia. Definitely is a whole new and confusing beast. I more or less blacked out during my trip (likely due to being high off mj) but I do remember coming back into my body. Kind of vibrating/spinning back into the 3rd dimension (for me it was as if I "floated up" into my body). It was quite confusing trying to stitch back together who I was and how I got here. Needless to say it was quite an experience.

I found comfort knowing that others have had similar experiences, but there are still many questions that are tough to answer. Hopefully you find similar comfort and perhaps more answers as well.

Thanks for sharing your story and wish you luck in the future.

-S.T.

Thank you so much for your reply. I do indeed find your words and shared experience comforting. Salvia is certainly something else -- other-worldly even. I am still trying to figure things out, and my life has been seeming more and more like a puzzle I've been solving for a very, very long time.

If ever you have any concerns about your experiences or those of close ones, do not hesitate to contact me. There would only come a mutually beneficial understanding for each of us. I feel that those touched by whatever Salvia is or channels are somehow...different after the experience, depending on the experience. But I know my life will never be the same, perhaps not all for the worse. I want those who need it to be able to communicate freely amongst those people who will understand. And recently, I've been feeling so "alone" in that respect. The things I've seen and felt and become...well...it scares me to this moment. But I'll be okay.

Once again. Thank you =)

sounds interesting , i havent smoked salvia yet , however perhaps i will in time and explore this mystery further

What you describe is pretty par for the course with Salvia. The zippers, the layers of reality, the spinning/weird gravity sensations, the pins-and-needles, and feeling like you've finally figured everything out in a way you've never understood before... yeah, I've felt all of that too.

Something I found with Salvia, a lot of the trips had that feeling of being real, and it can be a little scary to think that your every day perceptions of reality might be have been an illusion all along. The trick for me was what to take back from the Salvia experience? What in there was actually useful to me, something I could integrate into my day-to-day life?

As an example, I had a Salvia trip where the room peeled open as if unzipped from the ceiling, and separated into several layers. The outermost layer (what I would normally see as "reality" ) was made up of little diamond shapes, stitched together at the edges, and as I flew behind the first layer I saw that in the back of each little diamond there was a gnome-like creature sitting at a piece of complicated machinery. I started flying around from gnome to gnome, and they would tell me their life stories, how the machine they were working was responsible for maintaining the illusion of that diamond of reality, and how they didn't even like their jobs really, but the Boss made them do it.

Coming out of that sort of WTF?? experience, I was a bit distraught because suddenly I felt my whole life was just an elaborate illusion or hoax, like the Matrix or something. And what if one of those gnomes took an early lunch break, or was mad at his Boss and didn't show up one day? Would there be a little diamond shaped hole in reality somewhere? If so, would my mind say to itself "that's weird!" and quickly fill in the missing piece?

After a lot of thought I decided that whether or not reality as I know it is an illusion is kind of irrelevant - one way or another, illusion or not, this is where I live my life. I don't get any real life benefit out of believing in those little gnomes, but this experience did make me question the malleable nature of reality. With both Salvia and DMT, I try to keep in mind that no matter how real it feels while I am experiencing it, what I see is just a message or a story. It can be real or illusory like anything else - what is real to you is simply what you are experiencing, and what you CHOOSE to believe in.

I really don't like salvia

i have smoked 1x extract pre rolled joint from a head shop, once
20x extract 3 times

each time i get really paranoid! and thr trip seems dark and worrisome.

I rarely get paranoid anymore on any drugm but salvia brings it out in me.

but each to their own i guess

Peace

Personally, I have never gained anything from salvia. It has been set out clear that it doesn't need to work with me. I respect that.

other than insight and reviewing my life and changing it for the better, I have never gained anything spiritual from salvia or LSD, their does not seem to be any connection.

Shrooms and DMT work wonders for me spiritually, I definatly feel connected when taking either! ... cannabis can help in meditation sometimes, but every other substance dosn't seem to have a spiritual side to it, to me anyhow.

As a side note, opiates are great to meditate on when starting out! I feel they can really ramp up the bliss side of the meditation experience.

Peace.

Salvia definitely isn't for everyone. Some people just can't get over the initial hump to where you can start to forge a relationship with the plant.

What really intrigues me about Salvia is the similarities between different people in regards to their trips. We see the same things. The exact same things. It's kind of eerie in a way. Zippers are very common. Rows of windows. What redgreenvines called "frame stacking". So many similarities in the trip with people who are very different and may even live half a world away from each other.

Something very important to be learned from this plant.

That zipper feeling. So familiar...

I once felt reality was the side of a carpet, nailed to a wooden floor. The carpet was being ripped of by giant beings, nail by nail. I was one space between two nails... pop!

Weird, whatever. I also felt like tunnels, or better funnels. These where much more comfortable sessions.

I never felt I learned much from Salvia and it has been years. Recently I got a free gift of plain Salvia Leaf when ordering stuff to make a new batch of Changa. So I feel invited to try again. But I'll post in a different thread for that.

P.s. Also try quiding or liquid tincture. That is supposed to be a much more benevolent experience. haven't tried it myself though.

Deepacceptance

Do you remember what happened when the carpet was ripped off? What happened to you? You say "...pop!"

But what happened?

I'm sorry, I don't remember... I think the trip ended. It has been a long time ago.

The whole vision felt as if my life was a joke (played by super beings): Me/my life being the short time between two nails of the carpet. Not my most fun Salvia experience ;-)

I also have felt liking being zipped open from the back, and pulling back feeling, as if another dimension has just opened up behind me.

Some speak about these kind of experience as pre-breakthrough, and something you can get used to (and break through) after multiple experiences.

Well, enjoy, explore carefully, and there are no answers...

Salvia is for true psychonauts imo. The returning to reality which can be the weirdest part of the trip is so strange that the only thing i can compare it to is buzzing (huffing) glue.

When you breakthru on salvia fear doesn't really come into it , for me at least because you're in a different world with no recollection of what normal is so fear doesn't exist in that realm.

The return to consensus reality is exactly like a glue trip. It's like being instantly reborn into a new reality. Amazing plant but very very strange!!

Your trips sound almost exactly like mine. The closest I've heard. The nails, or pegs in my experience, the joke, becoming tunnels and...geez. Weird stuff. Thanks for sharing.

"The return to consensus reality is exactly like a glue trip"

what do you mean by glue trip? You trip from inhaling glue?

"I was somewhere else entirely. I hardly remember what I saw or experienced, but the clearest thing in my mind (although the memory may have been altered during sober thought) is something akin to becoming the thoughts I was thinking, as if I was the thought of the thought of my thought of the thought etc. Writing this now, I can say that it had a very fractal-like formation (didn’t know about fractals before), whatever I was seeing. I found myself regaining somewhat normal consciousness face down on my carpet in a different part of my room. I guess I walked over there and either fell or, more likely, lied down on my belly. My arms were outstretched in front of me, and I remember clawing at the carpet as if to pull myself out of something. The whole room was spinning much like it would after you spin around and stop abruptly, but it was vertical, not horizontal. But that’s not quite accurate. Imagine looking at a 3D wheel so you see the narrow, outer side. It is segmented and each segment contains copies of your room. As I lay there, this wheel was spinning and “layering” my physical body back into this reality. This may not have been the actual experience, but it is to the best of my memory."


Hi i'm a new user here and after reading this, I had to join to post, that I saw the same thing. I was with my buddy last month and he never tried salvia. We purchased some 60x purple sticky salvia from a local shop. I had experience with it 5 years ago where I broke through and saw the spinning wheels and zippers. Now that I am older ( 26 ) I wanted to learn more about those zippers and my friend wanted to try it. So we went out to a remote field where it was peaceful and all you could hear is birds chirping In the sunlight.

Anyways I took the first hit, I loaded up a small bowl because I haven't had it for a long time and I didn't want to break through right away. So my small bowl gave me the gravity feeling of turning left I think. So I realized I needed more. I took more and I came closer and closer to breaking through. Then I gave some to my friend but unfortunately he didn't really break through, so I will just talk about my trip.

There was another layer that was stacked on top of the reality layer. And depending on my dosage, I could SEE that layer more clearly. I also closed my eyes and realized that I could see this layer more clearly with my eyes closed! That was one very important discovery as it allowed me to see what this rotating wheel was. Keep in mind that I closed my eyes during inhaling when I was still sober.. i'm not sure if I ever opened them during the trip, but I found it easier to break through with eyes closed in the start.

Well after taking more hits because the salvia layer was fading away, I realized I was seeing the same damn wheel and was coming to the same damn spot in my other salvia reality. How weird is that... always the same place I visit? Anyways you said you were being layered into reality... I realized this too.. The rotating wheel was spinning and printing realities as it goes... it's crazy because the zipper is actually part of the rotating wheel.. when you see the zipper, you probably haven't had enough of the dosage to see the wheel... and most people don't see the wheel clearly... I saw it so clearly I couldn't believe it.. thanks to my eyes closed... I felt like the wheel means we are a hologram

The spinning wheel is the non-physical projector that projects what you see. Or that's what it felt like. I also saw multiple projectors with millions of different faces on them, probably each human that ever lived. It was spinning and spinning showing me different faces from all colours of life for some reason. I then wanted to find my face so subliminally, it started to go through millions of faces like a computer program and woooshhh it arrived on mine... then I felt a sense of accomplishment like somebody who is in the salvia world is watching me and realized that I broke through and could control it. They were bowing down to me.. but this person was huge.. when it bowed down, in my mind the being was as big as a few skyscrapers and as it bowed down, it went through all the faces of the world, and came to an end to me... it felt like I found the secret or something like that... I then tried to enter one of the printing wheels to see if I can alter reality... I managed to get in one scene, where some woman was talking to me... and I could hear he voice.. I was some gentleman having coffee with her.. she had blue eyes, brown hair.. seemed familiar, but yet, I don't know her.. That REALLY tripped me out.. I didn't know where my physical body was, AND WHO WAS talking to this woman?? who ?? was this some past memory of mine? or was I obe?

I found some kind of stream of consciousness, where all living things swim through the ether. I followed the stream and was able to hear different people's voices and thoughts and current visions... it was really insane... I totally broke through.. the wheel is the reality printer.. or hologram machine.. the thoughts that enter your brain come from the stream of consciousness ether. I wish I could describe it in more detail as this is a month later and I honestly fergot the real hard details and feelings I had.. if it was like 20 min after, this would sound a lot better but trust me my friends, I broke through and although salvia is a scary drug, it showed me something that I will remember forever.

I normally have multiple pipes stacked and ready to go.. Then I smoke til I pass out into the visions

The feeling of talking to someone that isn't there, like a higher self

Especially when music is involved (chosen wisely) the lyrics can become a part of your higher self and play into the grand scheme / theme your life has taken to

The feeling of being torn out of whatever you were a part of before

Like everything is connected and the entrance to the journey is an awakening of a conscious being trying to free itself from the system

The sweat drenching your body as you come back one foot still in the other world

Always feeling like you are somewhere you're not supposed to be, but its the funniest thing in the world that you are there, the thrill of naughtiness

Salviaaaa <3

I must advise to care i remember someone doing opium+salvia to get a good tripp and it turned out rather hars phisically sadly i cant find the trip report but i shall try to look into it once more.

Before mixing 2 substances make sure they dont harm you when together.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=22779 here is the link

No offence infinity i dont mean you suggest it jsut making sure newcomers like me dont take any bad ideas without research