Background:
So the Monday before last I became my own clinical therapist on a 10-strip of the best lucy I've ever had. It's impossible to know how many ug's each tab had but I'm gonna have to guess 150ug because I've some other pure lucy before but it wasn't this strong, so it was probably a 1500 microgram trip.

I've never done anything higher than 2 tabs before, probably done so at least 15-20 times, this year being my first exposure to psychedelics. I recently had a 9 gram shroom trip (it was my third trip, my first two were on 3.5g) and it went surprisingly well. I realized bad trips DO NOT exist. As Hendrix said in his song Spanish Castle Magic "but it's all in your mind". I've never had a bad trip. Sure I've been scared before when I encountered a huge spider or an uncomfortable social setting with the wrong people, and I've also been many a times in deep and crying because I've been trying so hard to find myself the past year.

So I figured I knew everything I was getting into when choosing to do a 10-strip. I'm not going to write the trip report out, there's plenty of them online. Here were a few qualities I'd like to remark on:
-everyone said a 1500ug microgram experience is completely different, I don't believe it entirely was. Man things were slowed down but the visuals and audio distortion is exactly what 2 tabs is MULTIPLIED by 5 (2 tabs X 5 = 10 tabs)
-you really understand the fractals of what lucy produces or helps you to see. I wish I would've drawn them because I saw these for nearly 14 hours after the trip. They weren't complicated, it was the same little fractal in embedded in everything to the nth degree. I coudl've easily drawn it, even with my terrible drawing skills
-I peaked for 4-5 hours as any normal trip, but came down over 16 hours slowly
-funny story: so while I was tripping some sort of outside terrible smell was occurring. Somebody called a maintenance guy and at one point I was looking out my first floor apartment window and he appeared right in front it with an alien-face mask like thing, with some sort of beeping technology and asked me if I smelled anything. I had smelled something for sure, but my sense of smell was so distorted I could barely understand if the smell was still there or not. I told him yes and told him where I smelled and he continued to look there. Well, eventually more people were outside my apartment (I'm the end apartment)... then someone starting hitting hard against something. Well, as we all know we can go thru extremes of emotions. I started to panick thinking oh shit, what if it's something really bad and I can't be in my apartment. Long story short, I had 4 tabs left in my apartment. I cut 2 of the tabs up and thru them away! then I decided not to cut the other 2 tabs up and just give them to my friend when he comes back in an hour... unfortunately the 2 tabs I decided to destroy were 250ug tabs, so I had just cut up 500ug of lsd... so stupid haha. I didn't care though, something to laugh about now. tabs are tabs, I'm not materialistic in any shape or form.

LSD vs. other psychedelics: LSD is the only synthetic psychedelic I'm interested in. It seems to me all the other weird man-made substances don't offer anything else except a different trip, and a lot of them can be dangerous. Natural psychedelics are usually non-toxic (shrooms, cacti, aya, etc.) and they have a strong spiritual nature to the trip, something LSD heavily lacks. Nevertheless, since one is more able to communicate on LSD than say on shrooms, I can see why it worked well for therapy when it was legal to use it. I look at LSD as a great molecule because it's efficiency (no dealing with eating shrooms or cacti, not that I'm saying cacti or shrooms are bad for this) and it lasts longer, which can be a good or bad thing.

Clinical aspect: After I came down, I started thinking heavily. I shouldn't have taken it that day for I had school that day even tho the class was nothing important (I'm finishing up my degree in college right now). I eventually did something I've never done before. I grabbed a notebook and turned it to a blank page to record my thoughts. I've always been an introverted person that can be happy alone when I want. I also am always trying to change myself for the better and am highly conscious of my actions and ways.

What happened next is I was able to become my own therapist. I started writing down ideas for the first time ever, ideas that were hard to remember after the trip. For hours, I wrote. I delved into so many things. Psychedelics (including maryjane!) for whatever reason allow you to think at a pretty fast rate and of course differently at things-you look at things with no fences in your mind, they're clear. I found the root of two life problems I had, one of them had been causing me deep sadness over the past year. All sorts of other creative ideas were written on the paper, including how I would never recreationally use psychedelics anymore, except for my curiosity into what a 14g shroom trip would be like as well cacti & of course the most interesting of them all, dmt, which I will be experiencing very soon.

I can't even been describe how much life thinking I got done that day, and I had it all on paper! I originally took it at 9 am Monday. I started my "therapy" sessions at around 4 pm, and was still thinking of things at 5 am the next morning while trying to go to bed. The trip changed my life and it broke me of my recreational use (I had started using lucy every weekend).

I strongly encourage others to try breaking out a piece of paper. Looking back at the paper, I used none of the notebook lines. I wrote pieces of ideas and info all over the page at every angle, with arrows going everywhere. It's literally amazing. You just can't remember all the ideas you have on a psychedelic as you constantly forget what you're thinking about, that's why a paper helps. Some people just like to wake up the next morning and then reflect, but I was not only thinking but doing the "after-math" reflecting part during the long come-down. I had never accomplished more in my life as far as self awareness & realization goes. Literally, I have saved myself from going down a detrimental path (with regards to one of the two life problems I concerned myself with during the trip).


Last interesting note: One thing kept standing out during the trip, visually. I was in my apartment the whole time, so I had no contact with nature. But something from across the room kept almost glowing with the signature LSD fractals. Everything else had not so bright of fractals. What I later realized was that the thing that had bright fractals on it was my small rock that a shaman had let me choose out of a basket 6 months ago. It wasn't a special a shaman rock, just a nature rock.

But then it hit me like a diamond bullet! It was the only piece of nature in my room. And it being a circular yet flat rock/pebble, it had fractals wrapped around it perfectly. I couldn't believe it. What the hell does this mean? It means there's something completely different with man-made/man-altered things vs nature in its natural state. Everything's nature to a degree, but the only fully natural things in my room were my self as a being of this planet and that rock.

At this realization, I just knew entities in other realms were proud of me, if present (I don't have any religious beliefs, just spiritual beliefs that many other realms or existences take place to the most ineffable magnitude). That the realization that nature will always be king and that love and respect for nature (which includes not only plants, animals, rock, land of all sorts, etc. but human beings as well. Are not nature that's only twisted its path to affect everything else?).


Anyways, that's all I really wanted to share-the fact that you can pull out a piece of paper and become your own therapist while on some psychedelics. Also, the fact that love for humans is also love for nature, and to not love nature is to not live at all. Why exist here on Earth? You could go to mars if you don't like nature. It'd be easier to pave cement across that planet, since there's no trees to cut down, am I right? Just something to think about.

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dear gualapa , did you learn some occult knowledge that helps you float in the air naturally through this trip cos otherwise it was just such a waste

10 blotters am i supposed to encourage this ???? is this necessary ???
yes why not just disregard safety , no need to use just abuse !

I think the thing is that everyone needs different doses. 9grams of mushroom for instance will put me so far into hyperspace that I would not be able too find my face, let alone walk around or interact with the world. On par with DMT in every way. Others obviously are less sensitive I think.

With acid its hard to be sure how much there is..150mics per hit seems rare..50 mics is more like it.

There are def +150mic hits out there, but still still 10 hits of even 50mic acid would floor most people hard.

Im glad that you can enjoy and learn from these "heroic" doses but be careful, upping a dose from 2-10 blotters in kind of riscy.

I mean there def are "bad trips" that make you alot worse than you were before.

Taking psychs is like lifting weights almost, slow progression is good for adaptation of the specimen.

Going to fast can def lead to some unnecceracry pain.

what safety? I knew exactly what I was getting into and I came out knowing I was exactly right. Have you not heard the term "clinical dose" before? Many people can do a lot with 2 tabs, but you can do far more with a clinical dose. You depart from your senses far more and are able to focus much harder.

I used no occult knowledge, I used common sense. The farther from this reality I am able to detach, the more I am to focus with my mind. I wouldn't have accomplished even a quarter of what I did with 10. It was necessary. No need to cast your opinion of abuse. I would consider 5 2-tab trips abuse, that's more close to recreational use if you ask me. I don't want to become dependent on a drug to show me things. This is why I took a worthy amount to learn what I needed to learn about myself by myself through disconnecting my senses and thereby disconnecting my reality.

LSD and many other psychedelics are merely a sensory trip with a few other things attached. Many other people may freak out because of the extremes of emotion and sensory, but after the 9g trip I realized I can handle a large dose of psychedelics far better than most other people can for many reasons about myself that I feel are too complex to explain. I'm a person who can flourish on my own, so laying on my bed with any amount of psychedelics only leads me into deep thought. Can you point the danger out for me?


<Moderator: talk about sourcing removed> I have also had many other tabs before and never before did 2 tabs feel so strong (I had taken this same LSD for 2 months before the trip nearly every weekend).


Jamie is right. What one thing may do something for someone may do something entirely different for another. Again, the reason why I can handle so much is because of who I am as a person. Also, there's a difference between someone who uses it recreationally but also takes meaning out of the trip after and someone who takes something purely for learning and meaning. This 10-strip ended my recreational use except for my few more experimentations I have plan (14g psilocybe, then dmt, then in the future, cacti).

This is not me bragging, we all know you can't brag with psychedelics or you'll be put in your place far too easily. This is not me saying you should do this amount. This is me talking about the therapy aspect as well as other notes.


I know & I agree. What I mean by bad trips not existing is the actual phrase as it has been created in psychedelic vocabulary. It does not exist. Psychedelics put us in extreme states and places you in the far corners of our minds. It's up to you to prepare set & setting and as harsh as it may sound, it is your (not you specifically) fault for allowing yourself to go there.

The mind is the most powerful thing on this Earth, only in the absence of control can you have a bad experience on a psychedelic (unless of course something outside of your control occurs that ruins it).

In terms of mushrooms, they varry alot as well. I have had experiences on par with a full dose of ayahuasca with 2.5g of cubes on many occasions. 5g of good cubes had me flat on my back on the floor only able to crawl back and forth..most of the time was spent curled up in the corner with my eyes closed beaing beamed onto spaceships and flying around in space etc..

I have also had cubes that seem to barley do much at 5g even, for me and others who were eating them..though that is rare. Not sure why..maybe they were old or dried improperly. At this point I only grow my own.

6g of psilocybe cyans might be on par with like 12g of cubes..and for me that was a once only type of thing lol. I was not so familiar with those mushrooms at that point and was in a good place, overconfident and just ate them at night in the rainforest..and it compared in every way with my largest dose of ayahuasca..both experiences I broke though entirely..with no awareess of my body and I am sure I looked like I had "blacked out" to onlookers..when I came back to my body on that cyan trip I could see the energy body of the entire rainforest in the darkness..I could see energy moving through the soil, up throgh the ferns and old growth trees..it was like looking into the matrix or something.

Others talk about dosing like that all the time as if it's nothing..so I dont really know what it is like for them. I have been in many group ceremonies though and I know that I seem to get off on less than many other people. It's just individual nervous sytems...I know one person who has been on a super clean diet for like 20 years..and raw foodest for many years..and needs rediculous ammounts of ayahuasca to get anywhere. Im talking like 200g of caapi and 7g mimosa to get off..everything really is that different I guess.

With acid I cant really say. It was never really my thing so I took it a few times and then lost interest.

I notice reverse tolerance also..this is after maybe 3-400 mushroom and ayahuasca trips combined..and it seems I only become more and more sensitve if anything..

Lets not use that term here please. It makes it sound like it is something that is good for you by default while in fact that highly depends of the context of why and where it is taken and the person who is taking it.

I also removed the part from your post where you mentioned sourcing LSD. That almost wants me to throw you back to the Welcome Area, please don't ever talk about that again on the DMT-Nexus!

To the other people in this thread: yes, some people take high doses of acid and some don't. Both have good reasons to do this (or not). So please respect this other persons views and keep this discussion polite and respectful. I think that we all know that judging a person on the amount their substance intake is invalid without knowing the full context.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

hey gualapa,

consider that if you have been taking acid almost every week you might have had a little bit of tollerance as well when you took these ten hits. But yeah, mileage vaires from person to person.

Concerning the bad trip, a while ago I would have agreed with you. I had been taking psychedelics on and off in non-recreational manners for 10 years, successfully helping learn, overcome depressions, gain new insights etc.. I thouht exactly like you - that a bad trip could not happen to me; that I knew enough about my self and how to handle anything. Even when DMT came along I still held to this belief. However one fine day I decided to take acid and shrooms together, both reasonable doses even... and had the most horrible experience of my life - concerning psychedelics. And there was no way I could control it. It was both mentally and physically extremely awful.

And this after 10 years of experimenting, having had really large doses of acid, mushrooms, dxm in all kinds of situations. After having vaped dmt and done pharma several times... I never thought it would happen to me.


While I too raised my brow at the step from 2 tabs to 10, and even more so when I read your comment "I knew exactly what I was getting into" - because it sounds very pretentious - I have to say I follow a similar philosophy when dosing in general. Low doses for me, when not specifically testing a new batch, are pointless to me. I cannot "use" them or learn from them as much as I could from a large dose.
This does not mean however that we should abandon all measures of safety... especially when you are taking large doses and don't have experience with this kind of amount it's advisable to have some kind of safety plan (a sitter or something like that).

as for the self-therapy... I think a lot of people that are using entheogens apply this kind of technique. You can also do it while you are tripping - not just afterwards - as long as you can manage to hold a pen or work a keyboard. Or like in expressive psycho-therapy you can paint or make music as a way of communicating with your subconscious. Personally I like to do a psychedelic variation of shadow-integration every now and then, using lsd. I also try to apply integral analysis to my trips as a form of integration - that is looking at the trip from different angles and using different models for interpretation (psychological, spiritual, sociological, biological, ...)

I appreciate that you were able to find healing in your session. I hope you've gained a lot from it, and it will enhance your quality of life. Thanks for taking the time to share it with us.

I would request that you take heed of Enoon's words above. The attitude you project, "I knew exactly what I was getting into and I came out knowing I was exactly right." "Many other people may freak out because of the extremes of emotion and sensory, but after the 9g trip I realized I can handle a large dose of psychedelics far better than most other people can." "Bad trips DO NOT exist." does come across as as very arrogant, and most long-term explorers of these realms will not hesitate to tell you that you are setting yourself up for a very rude awakening if you approach this work from that state of mind. I'd counsel re-evaluting your modus operandi and ruminating exactly what you are getting yourself into when you haste to engage these substances from the standpoint of indomitableness.



-आशीर्वाद

I'm sorry, my source mention was accidental and it slipped my mind, I won't make the mistake again. I understand the concern with use of a "clinical dose" and will no longer use it. I hope I can present my self in a more respectful and knowledgeable matter in the future, especially if I decide to share a topic concerning such debatable actions like I described here (though I don't plan to have another topic to report on like this ). My apologies.


I understand exactly what you're saying. I didn't mean to sound pretentious. I know I sounded ridiculous raising the dosage like that, but I studied the effects by myself at low doses enough, did my homework extensively, and had my own safe environment. Nothing went wrong at all.

Looking back, the only reason I had called my session a therapy session was because I've never known anybody to do something similar, so I guess I considered my trip unique up until I thought about it now (about how many people have actually done something similar, like you said). I've read on many people having meaningful trips, but most everybody I know doesn't know of the term "sitter", much less taking anything meaningful back from their trip. I guess this is because they're all just college kids (I am too). However, I did wait 2 weeks before so I had little to no tolerance, and sitters would do the exact opposite for me. I am most comfortable alone, any people around me would rather perplex the situation, especially such a long one (I was up for ~20 hrs).



I agree. Looking back, I definitely come off as a bit ignorant. I still don't believe bad trips exactly exist within the context of a regular trip, but as Enoon described taking a dose of whatever drug that one has not experienced before can lead anyone into a world of hell, namely a "bad trip". I just meant in the context of dosing where one has knowledge of I guess.

In the future, I will make sure to use more knowledge when dosing. Your Terence quote definitely makes perfect sense. However, I don't think there really will be a future for large doses, I'm done with LSD experimentation as I learned all I needed to learn of the substance. The only exception is my plan for a well-sized 500ug recreational trip during the AM hours of a calm & safe suburb (instead of every busy city/town where I am in now) while all the Christmas lights are lit up. Should prove recreationally satisfying. Other than that, I'll leave all other substances for annual healing purposes (only concerned with natural psychedelics), with the only exception being DMT experimentation & learning.



Thanks for the replies everyone, sorry I didn't mean to come as an idiot, though my actions definitely spell myself out to be one. I still feel I made the right decision, though I sure put myself on the edge of a cliff when it comes to my membership, this being my first post as a member.

its all good gualapa

good to know you learned and took something from the experience , i was just being unnecessarily sarcastic due to safety concerns , its not that i've not done things like that yet i did not learn anything more profound than going easy on my doseage ,

just keep having a good time , its what matters most to me personally when i do any psychadelics or in life , i am all in for beauty and visuals and intricate patterns , i somehow don't use these substances any more for therapy which i used to years back ,(i guess i've done my fair share of learning )

these days i see it more as an adventure and the quest to be in the moment all times experiencing totall conciousness and the psychadelic , thoughts i believe are just that thoughts , i tend to avoid or disregard much thinking for the direct experience is still something else , these days experiencing means more to me than thinking ,

there are many things one can learn from psychadelics , yet all the learning does not matter much more to me than dancing , creating art , being in the moment , since all learning basically creates more thoughts which are still not the experience , yet i have learned much and appreciate it

this is only my opinion on entheogens and life , to be non-thinking is better than thinking for then one can see more , hear more , taste more , feel more and be more

there are many diffrent aspects of psychadelics and life , this is one of them

peace

Definitely, I still see myself enjoying a nice shroom trip somewhere in nature just enjoying life and nothing else in the far future; for now, I'm on a nice break from my extensive use in the past months. When I say I am no longer doing them recreationally, I mean on sort of regular basis. I see no wrong in a trip here or there, every few months or whatever. I've been abusing LSD and taking it every weekend which I don't think should be done with any psychedelic, natural or synthetic. That and the idea of only using substances I've grown or extracted myself seems like a great one.

I see what you mean when you say you no longer take part in the therapy part anymore. At some point, we've learnt all that we need to learn about certain things in our life and can just enjoy the time we have. We exist to exist, right? Just my thoughts.

No disrespect intended, but I must say....
I kind of feel you are bragging about just how much acid you
can take. This macho-mentality just doesn't mix with entheogens.
Entheogens allways make me feel humble. I'm quite sensitive to
them and need only little.
I think the trick isn't how much you take of an entheogen, but
how effectively you work with whatever you're given. Even if it's
only a tiny dose.

It seems your psychological threshold for effects is high, because
on a deep level you are fighting it off. It will only seem to over-
whelm you, and hardheads like you, when the pressure is more power-
full than what you can mentally fight/resist.

What I'm saying with this is: Instead of taking more & more to break
through those thick walls of Ego, consider instead weakening those
walls so they don't require that much force to be broken through.

Learn to become aware of this mental resistance at a deep level,
then you can cease this resistance. By surrendering, relaxing.

When you are in such a state of low mental-resistance, I bet
only 1 blotter of that same acid can turn your world upside down.

No disrespect intended either, but I believe you misjudged me entirely. Nowhere am I bragging about how much lsd I took. That's absurd. It seems you read my first post but didn't bother to read the discussion that followed, no offense.

If you understood my experience at all, I said I started my work AFTER peaking. That means I used the 16 hours after to do my work, because that's how long the comedown took. 1 tab would've only provided a small comedown. The point was to get into the stage where I am functional yet still have the pattern of thinking that I acquire while on psychedelics. I was after the length, not the intensity.

In conclusion, I agree with exactly what you're saying, but I used it differently. In the future, I won't be using LSD for any therapy/healing purposes nor will I need such a long session. I've also taken loads of 1 or 2 hit doses, but none achieved what this large dose did. Thanks for your input anyways.

Interesting report. LSD is the most therapeutic substance IME. Obviously this is a very personal thing, and others will find a closer ally in other substances. However, for me the effect that LSD has had is unparalleled. I could go on for days about that.....

I'd like to make a couple comments on dosage. Jumping from 2 to 10 is definitely a bad idea. I'm glad that it worked out well for you, but sheesh..... That could've really gone a different way. I always :facepalm: when people talk about how many micrograms their doses are. Having been, at one point in the past, in a position to know how such things are done I can say that people overstate their doses all the time, and by a lot. LSD is super potent....it doesn't take nearly as much as most people think. Dosage gets talked up a lot along the way. This is exacerbated by people not really knowing how potent it really is.

As far as actually taking massive doses goes.... I see some of you calling that abuse. I disagree. It's different from person to person. I used LSD in a spiritual fashion, for the express purpose of going deep. I took a lot during my life, and that period of my life was without a doubt the most spiritual time of my life. I wasn't eating puddles for kicks, nor out of a macho attitude. LSD is a sacrament, and I took the doses I did to elicit a certain experience. I did so after having much experience, around trusted individuals, and in settings conducive to such experiences. That's not drug abuse. I've been very guilty of that as well in my life, and there's definitely a difference. I wouldn't trade that time period for the world, but nor do I feel any need to repeat it. I find that moderate doses once in a blue moon are more then sufficient for me these days.