SWIM just had an interesting encounter with some bullies. SWIM has suspected that
hyperspace is a lot of smoke and mirrors to distract from some 'wallet' lifting. These
super-dimensional pickpockets straight up TOLD swim they were milking him for his 'soul' and that yes, the visuals were a distraction. They threatened swim with menacing looks and that ominous power they have. They also reminded swim that no one would believe him. That they would believe his 'belief-system' was responsible for this 'paranoia'. The sheer audacity was sobering. Swim has shunned belief-systems and kept an open mind about this magnificent universe in which we are allowed to occupy. Tried always to suspend judgement and believe only in balance, from micro to macroscopic. This did not elicit fear in swim in the body sense of the word but from an intellectual standpoint he doesn't know if he is willing to trade with these entities. Most times he feels love and direction from the spice, but this as swim said before was sobering. I guess he landed in the wrong part of town. Swim was determined to go back and have a chat with these bullies and took another pull but they were gone. They were to far down the rabbit hole for him to catch up with (tolerance). Swim is posting for support. That was swims heaviest foray to date and doesn't want it to be the last, but...

Are we playing with real money here? Thoughts? Opinions? Swim would LOVE to here that he is crazy and that hyperspace members have had their share of this sort of thing and
know it is just in our heads...

And quick cause swim has to go back again tonight, either to find the love and direction he is used to or to pick a fight.

And just to back up swims position, he thinks that many have read Mckinnas statement concerning the 'meme' traders. He says they are traders, that they are tricky, not to let them get behind you...

okay...rant complete...help...


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could be that you took preconceptions / a particular mindset into the experience with you and that these manifested in this way.
It's hard to tell what is your own internal / made up dialog or created reality and what might be something else.

Psychosomatic influence can also be a biggie.

so far i've seen people's experiences link through to the mindset that they went in with.
maybe try half as much as the last mission and see what happens?

in my opinion i dont think that can really be done that well and those who are milking will be made aware and will be forced out of that trend by realization

Dude. Go with that intuiton. I have had that happen before. It's a fact that DMT is not a toy and is not safe. Past all the 'its all in the mind crap' and the outdated models of reality it's plain to see that DMT throws you into the deep parts of the astral multiverse.

Just how big that is is anybodys guess. And if there are gods and angelic entities theres bound to be their antithesis. I think that people in the 24th century will be looking at us like how we look at those 18th century folk prescribing cocaine and heroin as wonder cures. They'll be like "Wtf they actually entered hyperspace like that and had there souls fed on by interdimensional insectoids? Man they were crazy back then." Lol

I have had this hunch that all the non physical entities in this universe are all 'feeding' off of us ..! Yes !@ very symbiotically, and all naturally, just the way it is supposed to be ! Let's not suppose anything is 'wrong' ... or out of order ... even with possibly a million non-physical entities feeding off each incarnated human !

Emotional energy is a thing they can't have without a body, so perhaps all the time, these entities lap-up our emotional outputs. The overflow of our conscious, incarnated selves is like gravy !. Like in the movie the Matrix, but it's emotional energy they are harvesting .. or 'mikling' from us !

Now try feeding them Love ! .. switch it to a love beam ... barter Love ! .. I'll say that from experience, who-what ever you encounter, Beam Love back at them ! The scene will change and a whole new 'flock' of entities may show up !

Our whole life is like a fruit ripening on some multidimensional 'vine' .. like kiwi fruit, we are all growing plump, only to be 'harvested' when ripe. Those entities are the gardeners we can encounter while out-there on dmt ... And I am sure that none of them are 'allowed' to break or ruin the perfectness of being that ripening fruit - However much they want to fondle, milk and play, they ALL must respect and 'protect' the thing we are - our incarnatedness is too important to them to corrupt, before it really IS our time to be harvested.

So keep us posted on further energy exchanges !

nice post el ka bong

Thanks, everyone. Thanks el ka bong. Swim believes he took some errant paranoia with him to hyperspace, subconscious. He respects the spice and is going back. Even if a real(wtf is real) trade is going on, it doesn't appear that much could be taken. Otherwise
one trip would be enough. Symbiosis is a good way to put it el ka. They just didn't need to seem so cavalier and then so menacing about it. This experience has given swim some heavy reflecting, and is that not what this is all about? Growth comes from pain and sacrifice. Swim will be on his toes as best he can during ego disintegration, a fine line at best...

Swim is grateful to have a forum with which to share and learn...thanks to all.


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i stand to say that all entities are just phsyical beings. personally i have appeared as an entity to various people in the form of shiva,a white orb floating around their house, and a few other things

This appears to work for me almost every time. However, sometimes - going in with the wrong mindstate, I find this hard to do. I'm no angel.

I'd almost go as far as to say that Mckenna & some other preachers where wrong when they say throw yourself into the deepend, by aiming at brakethrough straight away.

I've become very fond of acid over the years. Out of countless (probably almost in the hundreds) of trips, I can count the "bad" ones on one hand. Some have been difficult. Some have started very shaky & ended up to be the most beautiful.

But without some of the learnings that Acid has taught me, I don't think I would have had half the enjoyable / enlightening trips that i've had on DMT. Acid taught me how to drive the spacecraft too Mars. With DMT at 50mg, your on your way over to the next universe, let alone planet. Gravity will pull you back down ok, thers no worries about that. But without knowing how to skipper, it can a rough ride.

Maybe i'm wrong. Just playing around with ideas.

For whatever reason - acid taught me how to love more. DMT dosnt seem to be as tollerent. Maybe in lower doses / for some people it is.

It definetly has a lot to teach us. But some times on higher doses, I feel like i'm learning algebra without knowing how to count.

Often in real life i feel like my soul is being milked. All through my childhood I was bullied by my stepdad. More recently i've grown up a lot. Ironically with the aid of psychedelics, mainly acid. I now realise that he has real issues of his own. He needs to be healed & i'm able to help him. Deep down he's a good person.

Funnely enough it was only a few years ago that I was a "milker" to the extream - i'd split up with my girlfriend which set things off... ended up very angry with the world. Started abusing drugs. Stealing off my parents to fund habits. Ended up on the streets, feeling like I had no-one. I remember having fantasies about mugging old woman. Just for revenge. Revenge at society.

Its changed my views on good/bad people forever. I was watching crimewatch at christmas & there where two teenagers smashing in a womans car to mug her of her kids xmas presents. A tear came to my eye - in empathy of the people doing it. Its christmas, they need love.

Maybe they where abused by there parents. Its so hard for me to explain. They where the ones who needed healing. They where crying out too the world.

When I was having those fantasies about mugging old woman - all i needed was a hug. All i needed was a hug.

People would hope they were that needed and wanted by something else.

Thanks folks, it's cathartic to say some of these things ... as often as I repeat myself ... it's not to be taken seriously, to be sure ! Jason741's post got me all going !

But ok, what is that hyperspace-economy that we seem to be so unaware of but still are suspended in ..? It has needed us to be 'unaware' of it ..? Or are we just getting to recognize it, in a modern way with modern freedoms and modern language ..!? It seems so easy to recognize It and Love it !

... I'll digress some more - Maybe we're more like a bunch of grapes on a vine, our living relatives and us are separate 'clusters' ... hanging around until we die, ripening each at our own pace... but each grape/incarnate-soul is incredibly precious to the 'hyperspace economy'.

Each life is 'valued' and cherished so much that we can barely comprehend what this gift of life means to them. But maybe with dmt we can glimpse something of it, and even if it still seems 'incomprehensible' we will most likely not forget ! the much bigger picture ...

When we go to sleep at night, and dream the old fashioned way, don't we encounter entities? And aren't some of these entities malicious? And do they actually hurt us?

SWIMs dreams are far more malicious than hyperspace... monsters chasing him, tyrannous societies oppressing him, having to hang his teeth back into his own mouth after they fall out etc. But after a bad dream, we wake up and think 'uh, that was a nasty one' and forget about it. We don't start worrying that the entities are harmful (or even real for most people).

So why is it that, when some people dream through DMT rather than sleep, suddenly the entities are deemed to have power over you?
Perhaps because unfriendly entities are rarely encountered, so the shock breeds more fear, and also perhaps because while sleeping is done as a necessary act, hyperspace is done as a spiritual one so more meaning is attributed to what happens there.

I'm not saying that what you encounter in dreams or hyperspace isn't 'real'... after all, how is consciousness and experience not 'real'... but I am saying that if you believe that these things can have no effect on you, no power over you, then they won't. If you believe that they do have power over you, then they will. You can take that on a material or psychological level, or even both seeing as our bodies do respond to our psychology.

SWIM have never had a malicious encounter on DMT so far, and he wonders whether or not this is to do with his attitude of unconditional love and respect in hyperspace to all he encounters, or his self-belief that nothing can hurt him as his 'forcefield'. In a dimension of consciousness, perhaps force of will, self-confidence, is your strongest protection (whether you believe in autonomous entities or not)?

Someone here made a point about LSD being their training... SWIM believes that smoking strong salvia extract was his. After being shown the most horrific cosmic revelations by salvia, he feels a reassuring relative sense of security in hyperspace.

Ask yourself how entering hyperspace is affecting your material existence ('reality'. If it is having a negative impact, stop. If it is beneficial, perhaps only then should you consider continuing your travels.

Of course, having never encountered malicious entities, perhaps SWIM isn't qualified to answer. He did ask once if people could say how many trips they'd done before they encountered malice, but no-one answered unfortunately. Hope you get back on track Jason, don't worry about it, whatever they may have taken from you will be regained immediately from a positive experience (whether in real life or in hyperspace)

Well in this world when you get bullied you are told to stand up for yourself. Its the same in hyperspace. You stand up for yourself and they will go away. You let them feed on you and they will its just like here but a little more intimidating because it so new,intense and consuming.Tripping/life pretty much go by the same rules its all in your head.It all depends on how you look at it.If your having a bad trip/day you just have to change the way you look at the situation.and things will change for the better. Hope this makes sence.

Very interesting point... have you encountered hostility and done this, Big Inhale? How do they react?

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.. Thanks all for the positive feedback. Swim has ordered a small amount of THH and plans on waiting until it arrives before continuing. Swim understands there is added strength, duration and clarity with this. He plans on about 20mg sublingually(pressing tongue down hard for about ten minutes, right?) and then doing some dose testing with the freebase(~15mg ?). Not expecting to finally breakthrough, but if so, Swim will be ready to love unconditionally, go with the flow, relinquish the ego, smile and willingly trade a fraction of his soul for the chance to see the fat lady sing. Should be tomorrow or friday. No fear, no paranoia, no belief system. Just an open mind and a positive attitude. Love all.
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In SWIM's experience, THH is best utilized with 15-20mg held under the tongue for about 20 minutes. SWIY should feel it (though it's subtle by itself and not at all stoning) after an additional 10. There's no particular hurry to hit the spice - the THH will linger for a couple of hours - though 30-40 minutes after the sublingual seems to be pretty optimal. Expect it to alter the experience, particularly the after effects, which will be much more pronounced, prolonged and gradual in receding. The peak won't be magnified, at least not in SWIM's experience - in fact, it tends to be a tiny bit muted if anything. Try whatever dose you are usually comfortable with, expect a significantly increased body load (which is warm and very nice), and a much stronger feeling of prickly pins and needles during the launch - but you should also feel a definite buffer between you and whatever fear you generally bring into the experience. It is a pretty great addition, and afterwards (for another 30 minutes or so) you'll want to lie back and chill.

I haven't read the entire thread yet, but SWIM has also felt this smoke and mirrors sensation a few times before where it felt like something was going on "behind the scenes" of the visuals and SWIM could not tell whether it was malicious or benign. It did feel like SWIM was being distracted from some other type of analysis or activity taking place.

SWIM perceived the "milking" to be somewhat of a "raking" sensation if that makes sense to anyone.