Visty wrote:
1. low level discussion; we talk reincarnation, religion, the body, the human form, the world that we see on a daily basis, the physical, scientific way.
2: Medium level discussion; we talk about the paranormal and how these things can exist without evidence and the reasons why they happen.
3: High level discussion; we discuss the basic rules and underlying phenomenon to what it means to be human., Cosmology, consciousness, the basic structure of all that is, TOE.
It seems to me that all of these points can belong to low, medium or high level discussion. It's more of a matter of how deep into the discussion. For example, if we take the concept that everyone and everything is one, there is a very simple way of expressing this. You seem separate because your scope is too narrow. If you were to "zoom out" so that you could see the universe in its entire "whole", it would be clear that everything then within that scope everything contributes to that whole. The key is that you can be both separate and one at the same time, it's merely a matter of perspective. This is a rather simple way of addressing this conundrum, but of course, it along with its implications can go much deeper.
I think there are too many over-generalizations in these dichotomies. Religion addresses much of what you talk about in level 3. Knowing the body can be paramount to addressing level 2. The concepts of cosmology and consciousness can be integral in assessing reincarnation.
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On level 1 we discuss if reincarnation exist and how it is explained by those belief systems.
On level 2 we discuss how and why this would work and for what reasons.
On Level 3 we go deep beneath the surface of reincarnation, talk about interconnectedness between all life, consciousness and explain the idea that way, that we can see other lives because of that connection. Which then shows that reincarnation does not exist as it is discussed in the level and 2 tier.
It feels like you're projecting your personal development onto everyone else. You seem to have already reached a potentially premature conclusion in regards to reincarnation, and now you're going back and tracing your steps and over-generalizing. Even with talking about interconnectedness on a "higher level of discussion" I don't think that many would arrive at the same conclusion that reincarnation doesn't work as discussed in the second tier.
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So every exchange of ideas comes with a declaration on what level you want to discuss matters. A good DMT trip lands you in a level 3 discussion if you wanna talk content. If you want to talk about it in a scientific way you are in level 1, if you discuss the method of taking and why it works and that sort of thing, set, setting, thats level 2.
More projection. A profound DMT experience can bring revelation in regards to scientific concepts (even though the "data" wasn't gathered scientifically). You have a very strong bias against science, but everyone experiences DMT through different lenses and their interpretations will vary depending on background. Scientific matters can be surprisingly deep and relevant. Let's simply look at DMT's biological mechanism of action. When we look at how DMT physiologically exerts its effects, one of the things that we see is that DMT isn't simply causing the serotonin receptors to just do more "firing", but rather it globally polarizes the receptors so they fire in sync. Normally during the day, they are much less coordinated, and behave like separate, individual entities, but when DMT comes along, they begin to lose their sense of identity, working as an individual entity and now behave all as one (which on a side note is what I believe leads to greater neuro-electrical coherence which entails higher levels of consciousness). It shouldn't be too hard to see the implications of this understanding as it relates to feeling at One with the universe.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb