I have been following some threads about both Acacia Confusa and Tribulus Terrestris, and I wish to do some experimentation with both of them in the near future.

I have already been working a little with Tribulus, but am really not sure how I feel about it. I prepare about two tablespoons of the fruit in a cup of water microwaved at 60% power for five minuets. I defenitly feel vine like effects at this dose, but I am still unsure how much of it is really needed to allow the DMT to work (most especially with Acacia Confusa).

So a couple of questions/thoughts.

1) I have read some about tribulus cold water extraction, does anyone have experience with this?
2) Is it possible to do an cold water extraction of the Acacia Confusa, let sit for a week with lime juice, and then drink with tribulus to form some kind of Ayahuasca analouge? (Would the dosage be something inbetween the cold water extract only dose and the dose needed for formahausca?)

3) How effective would it be to first brew the acacia in my electric kettle and let steep for a couple hours, and then let the brew sit in the fridge with some lime juice for a couple days-week? Also, could I do the same process but add in a freezing step to further aid in water extraction?

4)As I understand, I need the rootbark? I notice that some vendors are trying to sell the inner stem bark claiming it is the most potent, but there are some discrepancies on the forum about it.... Anyone bought from US vendors that have high quality Acacia? Or have you all been purchasing from herbal stores instead? (I am not sure how much I trust these vendors I am finding online....)


I appreciate the insight....

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I am brewing up 10g of tribulus right now, and will report back soon. I also just ordered a pound from an TCM shop in the bay area. About to ingest, and will report back soon. Trying to establish the potency of this current batch.

interesting. How much does a pound of tribulus cost? I'm curious to see how this goes. If anyone is looking for a sexual aya journey, I imagine nothing would be better than tribulus.

A pound of tribulus costs $2.69. Excellent potency as well, or so I hear... The tribulus I am drinking right now is some I bought from ebay, so not to sure about its effectiveness....

So I ingested 10g of whole tribulus about thirty minuets ago (in 12 ounces of water, boiled for 15 min and steeped for another twenty), and I am definitely feeling some effects that remind me of my rue sublingual experiments (in the onset). I feel feeling in my chest that I get when I take rue or caapi, and I also feel a little bit of sedation right now. We shall see how the night progresses.

I usually use 2 tablespoons ground brewed in a tea. I can't comment on it's effects on MAOI.

I had a great difficulty sleeping last night, which does not occur when I drink caapi or rue.... Not really sure why this happened. The effects were short lived as well.... I Will try a 20 gram dose tonight, boiled with vinegar this time. Some TCM specialists recommend to boil it in vinegar to help aid in the water extraction... perhaps this will pull out more beta-carbolines......

Tribulous is used by body builders to boost testosterone I believe...it has some stimulant effects... Which is why you didn't sleep.' lots of people have been trying with this one...'I've not heard of a single successful result of it beinnused as a rima. But keep fruit and let us know how things evolve.

Well, I already have pretty bad insomnia, so those saponins probably do not help.... I will continue my experimentation tonight, non the less. As I understand, there is only mild risk associated with a 20g dose of tribulus? At $2.69 a pound, it would still be cost efficient if high doses of tribulus needed for successful ayahuasca analogues...

From reading further, some people believe that norharmane, harmol, harmane, and harmalol will not work to potentate and allow dmt to work orally? Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

There will be no experimentation tonight; Made the stupid mistake of taking a supplement tonight that did not interact very well with last nights tribulus dose......Feeling quite ill still...

That happens! play it safe but bless ya!
From what I understand no those harmalas have not been found to be effective. We have tried with this one for a few years now with no success out side of some fairly bad bioassay reporters on the aya forum...

Thanks Dorge, I am feeling much better now. I think I will still try the tribulus at 20g with acid tomorrow, to see if the effects are any different. I understand that I could still be feeling maoi effects but it will not work in ayahuasca analouges. I was thinking of a combination of 1g of rue and 10g of tribulus, or something similar.

you could be feeling it's effects on mood yes, but it is probably not going to effect mao inhibition in the guts... But in the Brain Hmmmm what about making a 20x tribulous extract enhanced leaf of say some kinnikinnik and some spice and see if it works as a Changa. Tribulous may not work well for oral use but it may for smoked Changa. Hell it's worth a shot!

Even if tribulus doesn't inhibit the MAO, it's still an awesome experience that the plant generates in our central nervous systems.

I never noticed stimulant effects. 2 tablespoons always made me feel very warm, melted, in trance, reset, calm.

Triblus alone I can see as a great "launch pad" for DMT.


Should women use Tribulus Terristris due to it's testosterone production?

not sure on that one. There are lots of sites on it though. It's soldmat many supplement stores.

So an update. Just got a pound of Tribulus from that reliable TCM specialist that was mentioned in other threads....

First impressions, the tribulus bought online had barely any aroma, and had bigger seeds. However, this new tribulus ordered from the Dr. smells quite strong, and the fruits are a different color. I made dan shen tea tonight, so I will make an 15g caltrop tea with vinegar later this week.

I have quit all other substances (including alcohol and reefer) in order to experiment some more with this Bai Ji Li.

Today I cooked up around 32g with a splash of vinegar. I brought the water to boil and then threw in the seeds. Then I brought the water to a low simmer and cooked for about twenty min. When finished, this tea looked very different from the previous cups I had made. You could not see the bottom of the cup, and the water was amber and sticky (My guess a lot more saponins). I ingested the tea after waiting 6 hours for a semi-empty stomach.

So the tea tasted much more bitter then usual, but no vinegar taste was apparent. Very thick, but stayed down decently.

30min I started to feel a little something, like the beginning of a caapi copy dose, but these effects vanished after about an hour.

2hr At this point, I did not feel like I was on caapi at all, but instead I felt I great surge of energy and clear mind. I decided to go to the gym


An intense workout at the gym, I was able to lift more then usual, as well as recover rapidly. Had no problems with heart rate or breathing....

I am still feeling the energy and clarity from this mixture. I had a chicken salad for dinner, and did not get a headache or anything at all. All in all, I am quite confident now that this plant DOES NOT have much potential for ayahuasca admixtures EXCEPT if combined with a gram or two of rue...... That will be my experiment later this may;

I am extremely interested in the effects of combining several maois and then Acacia Confusa. My plan is Rue/caapi/Caltrop with a cold water extraction of acacia confusa.... I am having money problems, so once again this will wait until may, stay tuned friends.