 Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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This is pretty simple and it tends to lend some really amazing qualities to your Changa Take your 10x extracted caapi leaf menstum (100gms of caapi leaf and or vine) all nice and strained out and place in your rice cooker with 10gms of chalipoonga leaf. Turn rice cooker on low heat with fan on it blowing to open window. It will evap quickly with even 151 vodka and the product with be a green resin covered pile Of leaf. Take this up and put it in freezer for latter use. One thought I've had recently is presoaking your chalipoonga in high potency frozen ammonia then evading that off in the food dehydrator making the alks in the chalipoonga more acessable smoked. Should have a hell of a kick to it! Chalipoonga is a wonderful additive to Changa and makes a great base! Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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 Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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This undoubtedly is the strongest Changa swim has cocreated and worked with at this point. Swim has not tried evaping the ammonia on the leaf prior to adding the 10xcaapi leaf/vine yet but will with this next batch and see if there is any difference. Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Posts: 2147 Joined: 09-May-2009 Last visit: 28-Oct-2024 Location: the shire, England
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I'm digging your Chaliponga change experimentation man, keep up the good work, I will be dabbling with this in the future.
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 Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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Bancopuma wrote:I'm digging your Chaliponga change experimentation man, keep up the good work, I will be dabbling with this in the future. When you ake really strong ammonia and put it in the freezer it just gets stronger, almost burns the skin on contact. It scape fast when heat from the dehydrator is applied, I think it'll work! Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Posts: 2096 Joined: 20-Nov-2009 Last visit: 12-Nov-2023
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Great! let us know, I was wondering how to make a good chaliponga changa as I've never tried chali yet but was waiting for an idea to use it efficiently. Smell like tea n,n spirit !
Toke the toke, and walk the walk !
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I once did an a/b tek on chaliponga and then used the resulting waxy stuff in some changa along with my usual mimosa extracted spice and caapi base..it was very powerful. Long live the unwoke.
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 Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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It should be things are so sensitive with Changa.! Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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fractal enchantment wrote:I once did an a/b tek on chaliponga and then used the resulting waxy stuff in some changa along with my usual mimosa extracted spice and caapi base..it was very powerful. What acid base and solvent were used along with what salting method ? Smell like tea n,n spirit !
Toke the toke, and walk the walk !
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Posts: 657 Joined: 11-Jun-2010 Last visit: 28-Mar-2024
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@Dorge: have yo ever tried a 10x chaliponga by itself? Or a 10x chaliponga menstrum evapped onto cappi leaf? I can't find many experience reports for chaliponga alone (or enhanced). Any info would be greatly appreciated. Welcome Home Mister_Niles. We've Been Waiting For You.
"Don't worry. When it happens, you won't be able to not let it do its thing. You won't have the ability to distinguish a pen from a hippopotamus" - Art Van D'lay
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 Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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Swims smoked it alone... No spice added not much there. Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Posts: 473 Joined: 18-Dec-2010 Last visit: 02-Jan-2021 Location: Beyond the threshold
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I was going to try to make 10x chaliponga for use with some changa. I ordered the whole leaves but the company sent me powdered instead. It may be a while until they have a fresh shipment of whole leaves so I decided to work with the powder for now.
Could this be used in the menstrum the same way as if it were leaf or should I not waste my time an do an A/B extraction on the powder instead?
I'm just looking for the easiest way to work with what I have.
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I just made one with 50mg harmalas (80%? THH) 262mg (22%) DMT 400mg chaliponga leaf 350mg Pau d'arco bark 250mg damiana leaf 3 datura innoxia seeds If I'd have known I would've attempted a 10x chaliponga extract.
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 Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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Swim doesn't make a 10x chalipoonga extract but infuses chalipoonga with. A 10x extract of caapi, which seems to work very well Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Posts: 574 Joined: 24-Jan-2009 Last visit: 25-Aug-2023 Location: somewhere in the sands of time
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Posts: 1075 Joined: 01-Sep-2010 Last visit: 12-Aug-2019 Location: Out here
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I just got some chaliponga leaf that i´m gonna use for aya, although i´m thinking about using a few grams in my latest changa base,
I usually use a mix of grinded mint leaf and "honey blend" (pre mixed smoke blend) i´m thinking about using about 50% chali and then my usual mix.
But my question is how does smoked chaliponga taste? taste is important for me when it comes to smoking stuff and if it´s to harsh i don´t feel like using it really.
Also would it affect the effects of my changa much if i use 25% (of total weight) with chali? i will do a 40% dmt changa.
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 Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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Tastes fine... But swim always adds Florida water and it pretty much defines the flavor steadily. Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Posts: 1075 Joined: 01-Sep-2010 Last visit: 12-Aug-2019 Location: Out here
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What is this florida water?? the reason i like mint leaf is because of the fresh taste and it helps me take big hits without caughin. I have a really nice vice abouty this, chalichanga sounds really tasty to me  also ive smoked caapi leaf a few times and i didnt really like it, is chali better tasting?
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 Chen Cho Dorge
Posts: 1781 Joined: 30-Dec-2008 Last visit: 25-Nov-2012
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Agua de Florida it's a perfume they sell in Peru for cleansing and is used in many spiritual traditions. They blow it on you in ayahuasca ceremonies... It makes the changa smell and taste amazing. You can get it at www.shamansmarket.comhttp://www.shamansmarket...ua-de-Florida/Detail.bokDorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Posts: 1075 Joined: 01-Sep-2010 Last visit: 12-Aug-2019 Location: Out here
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Wow this was some powerful mediceine indeed!
I did a extraction on 250g mhrb that i infused with 4grams of chaliponga and 3grams of mint leaf, added about 500mg of dried caapi leaf menstrum and got 12grams of the best changa ive ever done!
Very strong and twisted indeed, i´m surprised it got so strong since it should only be around 30% dmt by weight.
Thank you dorge for this wonderful recipe, this has given me new motivation to work with spice.
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