Oh my god I never had any Idea!!

I've had countless DMT experiences over the last year, and this was more powerful than anything I've ever known!!
Just solid power, energy!!
I actually thought I may have died!! After loads of experiences with this stuff, My god!!

There is no part of what I just experienced that I can put into words, other than, My god After all these times, I didn't know!!!!

Sorry for the rambling, good God really squeezed me this time!!

WS

Did you Eyeball your dose ?

How did you smoke it ? Bong/Pipe/Machine?

Yup,

There are always suprises with The Spice. Even after hundreds of launches I am frequently suprised/shocked/awed/amazed at how different each experience can be!

What was that dose? Did you do anything different? What was your diet like the day of and prior?

Was it the first time it happened after many launches ? I guess this was an heroic dose...

The dose was the normal 50mg, 3 hits.
Smoked ("Machine" style) with a bubbler & Brillo in the bowl.
Nothing was unique about the situation that I can think of.


Yes it was, I've been way, way out there, a lot of times! This was something thicker, more tangible. I had trouble breathing because of the raw astonishment, had to make myself breath!! Which was difficult because I was so far out of my body!! As I came out of it, I literally felt myself re-entering my body, it felt like climbing into a car.
I could hear them calling my name, In plain english and trying to calm me!!
The voices where echoed & far away, including my own!! (BTW, I was alone in my house @ 1:30am)

I can remember it quite well, there are just no words to desribe...

WS

Exactly what i wrote in another trip report, a real mind blower... all i could do was focus on heavy inhaling and exhaling because i felt as if was dying.

Needless to say, it was great.

Yeah, I had to make myself inhale and exhale too.
It really took some work, I was clearly out of my body, no question about that!!

I really wish I had been able to relax more, but this was soooo much more than anything I've ever experienced!!
...And I've had some heavy, heavy situations!!!!!
I've read about people having the trouble breathing, and I know (& knew at the time) there is nothing to worry about. Still, I was clinging hard to my body and wish I could have just let go. They were trying to help me to do that but I was just unable to ignore the total lack of physical form, or the irregular breathing.
In fact, as I think about it, I was breathing fine until I thought about what I was experiencing.
I thought (ala McKenna), "I've really gone overboard this time, I didn't know the power I have access to!!!".
Then I seized up, breathing became labored and I had to start calming myself down. With their help, of course.
The Breathing was a bit like a panic attack I would guess (from watching a few people have them), although I wasn't in any kind of panic really.

Like flyboy said, It really was a wonderful, truly enlightening experience!!!
The entire thing, even the intense, manual breathing I went through was very cleansing. If that doesn't sound too "new agey".
It was a heavy experience and actually rather hard to get through, but beautiful and purely loving at the same time.
...and so far, far beyond our physical, meat & stone existence!!

WOW!

WS

Wow, this sounds uncannily like a breakthrough I had about ten days ago! You think you've seen quite a lot, fourdimensional space and entities, and then it suddenly hits you with a raw power millions of times greater than you ever could have thought possible. Makes you respect the spice even more, what a lesson...
I wonder if you saw/experienced something like a flowing light-pillar?

YES!!!!


I have experienced (and posted about it, here @ the Nexus) a huge pillar of power before, that was constantly changing and growing out of itself, opening up like a flower and kind of "showing off" it's power to me. Part of it (?them?) would flower out at me, growing out of itself (like a computer graphic fractal patten but conscious!) And fucking powerful!!!.
It was like, "loooookkkk at thiiisss" and something made of everything, constantly changing and utterly beautiful to the point of being hypnotic, would grow out and then back in. Then another, "loooookkkk at thiiisss" and back.
Over & over like it was flaunting its power at me, showing me what it was capable of or something.
When I started drifting out of the trance, I was laying there in awe, mouth gaping wide open, tears of joy in my eyes. I was repeatedly thanking it for showing itself to me and pleading with it to stay longer.
I felt I had truly seen "god"!

But man, this one last night, was light years beyond that!!
I just wrote about the time when I saw "god".
Last night, I was inside of that flowering pillar, part of it's power!!!
I experienced "god" this time!!!!

And the other thing that is really bending my mind, I seized up and had breathing troubles as this began and because of it, I held on to my physical reality!!
As Far out as I was, I didn't get to go all the way into this power!!!
If I had been able to relax, I know there was even farther out there to go still!!! My God!!!

I've had breakthroughs, I've had entities and contact.
This was just beyond what I ever dreamed a dream could ever come up with!!
I'm still amazed by what happened last night and how well I recall it!! Usually much harder to remember the following day.
This one really touched my soul!!!
I'm glad I can tell someone about it here, no one close to me could understand how heavy this one was and still how perfect!!!
Even my spice-minded friends!

WS

I know exactly what you mean. I felt the same way about mushrooms untill i brokethrough on them & then i was like whoa i thought i knew what eating mushrooms was all about... i respect large doses of mushrooms. I think its harder than dmt. it lasts longer & it fucks with your insanity more.

yeah i think the quicker you take in the smoke & the more smoke you get inn the better.
DMT alone seems to be kinda quick & more shocking alone. try taking LSD or somethingh that slows it down, alows you to remember/integregate better.. also allowing the experience to last longer & using waaay less spice to acheive a breakthrough.

I have tried most fully psychedelic entheogen plants, to a deep level.
Heavy, other world states are nothing new to my head! This was more than that to me!!
I had my "summer of love" back in 1993 when I was 19!! We got pure, fresh LSD from the mad scientist, living on a commune, creating it!! Seriously!!
Been on 12 hits of his liquid and it was heavy and beautiful no doubt!!
There is nothing like the garden of eden that the world unfolds into, under LSD's influence!!!
I love those memories!!!
But LSD is a beginners toy IMHO.

Haven't ever taken the two together, Thats not usually my kind of thing though.
I'm normally going for a more pure experience. Not gettin out there, just to get out there!
(I know thats not what you meant! Just giving you my bend.)

I've also drank Syrian Rue tea before smoking a dose of spice as well, that is the way to slow the experience down and get more out of it!! (lasted an hour & a half!)
But last night's experience was not all that "fast". It was just heavy, heavy powerful!!!
Have not done full on oral Ayahuasca yet, making those plans though.

Mushrooms have never been the thing for me personally.
I've just never been able to eat enough of them to get a deep effect. My gag reflex is way too high!!
Tried powdering them and putting 'em into capsules once, but it was just a small, threshold dose.
No big effects.
I've also never know a good reliable source, unfortunately.

WS

yea LSD compared to DMT is a toy.. thats what i always say.. Lsd still isnt something to fuck around with, it is just as powerful.

I likeed it for the same purpose as syrian rue, only i think lsd would be better because its more powerful & trippy. Never tried syrian(heard plenty on it though), but i plan too take that or some auya vine & blast off..

Mushrooms are fuckin crazy, ego death, and just crazy ass shitt, like dmt, but different. I think i can stand dmt way more than high doses of lsd or especially shrooms.
Plus dmts short duration is a plus.
Order a grow kit from amazing-nature.. its so easy to grow them & keep growing them.
I dont think they taste bad dry at all.. all you need is 3 or 4 grams, just plug your nose chew up with some chips & wash down with some oj... sometimes i gag too, but ive come to find its all in your head. just dont think about it.

warren, your report makes me want to go FURTHER.I've been playin around on the lower levels,since i got my socks knocked off me on my first experience.Your report make me want to step it up.I feel i've had peeks into the other realm and i get the sense that something is there waiting to greet me but i simply need to smoke more. On the lsd/psylo topic,i would have to go lsd (if it's super clean),i like the visuals much better.FoF used to get crystal from berkley ca. (never touched the crystal)but used to get such beautiful trips of his liquid.Mushrooms give me that physical/muscular discomfort that i dont particularly like,although i have had some beatiful experiences on psylo,none the less.Swim would love to get his hands on some 25 and stick it in the freezer for a rainy day.I owsly has retired long ago.

I know I've been going off like mad about this one, but I got one more thing to add as far as a differences in the dose/set/setting, there was one difference I didn't even think of.

This was a new batch, just finished the extraction last week, although this was the second time I had tried it. Tried some with a friend a few days earlier, just a threshold amount though and only one toke.

Like I said before, Measured 50mg dose, bubbler with brillo, 3 hits
Actually, 2 full ones, had to force the 3rd, I was already taking off so far, I don't know if I even got the lighter to the bowl on that last hit but I tried!
Those are all my normal methods. (although the third hit is usually easy enough)
Only difference, a new extraction!!
This was the first real "Dose" out of my new batch!!
I truly hope this is a sign of my quality level on this one!!! Lucky me!!!

WS

all i can say is beware the spice resin left over in your pipe... its always a kinda bad trip.
where with regular spice i have never had a bad trip.

A bit off-topic but my friend disagree and had very pleasant trips from remaining dark thick goo.

WS, you went incredibly deep this time, congratulations and thanks for the well-written reports. Part of it must be beating the fear almost completely.. In my own 'Pillar experience' residual fear prevented me from really going into the Pillar like you did, but it was a life-changing experience anyway, I'm still digesting it
And I simply got what I asked for, just ask them and yes, they deliver! Something to keep in mind for Aug 9th.

Yes! Clean your pipe/vaporizer regulary. I find that old spice in the pipe can give jittery, confusing, uncomfortable voyages. Some people enjoy it, but it does not go with with my system for some reason.

Yeah, I usually change out the Brillo in my bowl after like 3 to 5 launches.

This particular night it was a new Brillo.
(yes, I burned off the brass coating shit before using it. Not new to this method)



I've never really smoked the leftovers.
Most times there is very little vapor anymore by the last hit. We always try to get all of the intended dose.

I'm sure there is some amount left in the Brillo in the end but My pals & I always load a fresh dose into the Brillo each time & I've never noticed any diff between a new Brillo or one thats been used 4 or 5 times except the vapor gets harsher as the Brillo get older.
I've not noticed any diff in the psychedelic effects though.


Never put aftershave in you pipe!!! Of course it gives a bad trip!!!

WS

^ now that's funny. Old Spice...right!