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My cat is very interested in trying some changa, she has caapi leaves and freebase but is slightly concerned about the MAOI aspect of caapi. She has never taken any MAOI of any sort and has read that caution is needed. The question is, does one need to be careful of interactions with certain food groups when vaping caapi changa or not? Thanks for any help  Monty P is a fictional character i use to make my life seem more interesting than it is, therefore all of these posts are fictional. "Life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves" Bill Hicks.
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The short answer is no...harmala alkaloids are actually Reverse Inhibitors of Monoamine Oxidase (RIMAs) and differ from pharmaceutical MAOIs in that their mechanism of action can be reversed. The MAOI food issue stems from foods containing tyramine, the breakdown of which is inhibited by MAOIs. However, RIMAs are displaced from MAO-A in the presence of tyramine, rather than inhibiting its breakdown in the liver as general MAOIs do, so there is little to worry about diet-wise when taking harmalas. Wiki • Attitude • FAQThe Nexian • Nexus Research • The OHTIn New York, we wrote the legal number on our arms in marker...To call a lawyer if we were arrested. In Istanbul, People wrote their blood types on their arms. I hear in Egypt, They just write Their names. גם זה יעבור
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Thanks, that has put my mind at rest Monty P is a fictional character i use to make my life seem more interesting than it is, therefore all of these posts are fictional. "Life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves" Bill Hicks.
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You do, however, need to pay attention to warnigs on medication you may be taking. Adderal is one example. arrive without traveling.
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So to clarify, there is no need to worry about the MAOI diet when harmalas are used i.e. Changa? But should be with the oral route i.e. Ayahuasca? Or is this information specific to Caapi leaves? What about extracted harmalas or Passion Flower? I'm asking for the clarification because in all the forum posts and other information available I can't seem to find any definitive answers about MAOI inhibition and Changa blends. But there is a lot of info on MAOI and Ayahuasca which leads one to believe they need to be cautious with Changa as well. Psikotrope AKA Hanuman Dass http://hanumandass.wordpress.com A blog on nonduality, entheogens, and other such topics. "It can be what you want it to be but in the end it's all just sensory enhancement." -The thought stream that once saved my life.
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Food should anyways not really be a problem with harmalas, for example Regarding MAOIS in general: FAQ: MAO InhibitorsSearch (Headers: MAOI DIET or similar) and they are a problem with SSRIs/amphetamines Same is valid for changa/vapped harmalas: Changa+Amphetamines = SERIOUS DANGERThread: How real is harmala MAOI danger
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Well, the necessity of careful diet with oral harmalas has been debated, but you do NOT need to worry about it with vaped/smoked caapi. ¤ø¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø¸„ø¤º¨
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Well thanks for making me look like the lazy googler Endlessness!  Appreciate the links I actually read the Faq but must have passed over any reference to Changa, rereading now. Thanks for your definite answer BananaForeskin (love the name). Psikotrope AKA Hanuman Dass http://hanumandass.wordpress.com A blog on nonduality, entheogens, and other such topics. "It can be what you want it to be but in the end it's all just sensory enhancement." -The thought stream that once saved my life.
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end: Rename ? "Changa and MAOI dangers" maybe ? Got GVG ? Mhm. Got DMT ? Pandora wrote:Nexus enjoys cutting edge and ongoing superior programming skills of the owner of this site (The Traveler), including recent switching to the .me domain name. I'm still, I'm still Jenny from the block Simon Jester wrote:"WTF n00b, buy the $100 vapor pipe or GTFO" Ignorance of the law does not protect you from prosecution
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Shaolin wrote:end: Rename ? "Changa and MAOI dangers" maybe ? I second that recommendation. Would be nice to search the forum for "Changa" "MAOI" and have this pop up first. However this thread still popped up with similar terms anyhow. Psikotrope AKA Hanuman Dass http://hanumandass.wordpress.com A blog on nonduality, entheogens, and other such topics. "It can be what you want it to be but in the end it's all just sensory enhancement." -The thought stream that once saved my life.
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Renamed  OP, indeed please next threads try to make the thread title clear so that it helps other searching for the answers 
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 Chen Cho Dorge
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I concur with the above statements... We also did a little page on the subject on the Changa website http://changaevolution.b....com/p/myth-busting.htmlDorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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Thanks for chiming in Dorge. Psikotrope AKA Hanuman Dass http://hanumandass.wordpress.com A blog on nonduality, entheogens, and other such topics. "It can be what you want it to be but in the end it's all just sensory enhancement." -The thought stream that once saved my life.
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 Chen Cho Dorge
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I can't help it it's a compulsive disorder... That and I spend as much time avoiding my work as possible. Dorge is cooperatively owned and cooperatively run by various hyperspacial entities working as a collabertive sentience project for the betterment of sentient exploration. Offical Changa web sitehttp://changa.esotericpharma.org/
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