evapping the vinegar is really easy...just put it on one of those mini candle hot plates..or they could be used for keeping coffee hot..with a little fan blowing on them..and voila...evapped in just a few short hours..

could i just skip the fasa if i wanted and still come up with pure product?

what the FASA does is separate the alkaloids from the oils and fats from the seeds...you can also do citric acid saturated acetone...if you dont have access to fumaric acid..

yeah i had citric acid, gonna have to go to the store again. for some reason they stole all my citric acid when they raided a freinds house. hes safe and everythings ok now, but shit, my citric acid is still gone

could i just acidify with vinegar in the very beginning and defat with xylene? lol i know how painful it is to read somethin like that after a better way has been found, but me and xylene go way back and even though it is the devils piss i can work with it if i need to.

jesus! my heart out to your friend...even though im a law abiding citizen..that would scare the piss out of me...but luckily SWIM does all the tests

and i dont think you would have to acidify with vinegar at all..because xylene wont pick up any bufo freebase at room temp...well it will but very very small amount..i think...but in its salt form..whichever that is...will most likely NOT get picked up anyway..so you could just defat with xylene..SWIM has done it with boiling xylene but that test didnt really turn out well

well, the point would be to skip fasa and use vinegar in the begining instead.

SWIM wants to successfully extract bufotenine but as of now he has yet to successfully extract anything. He's an A#1 noob and needs lots of help, if SWIYs could bear with, but he has no problem learning..

He recently failed at SpasticSpaz's non-toxic "beta" tek, so he will try this one. SWIM has lots of questions, probably too many. If SWIYs could answer any of them it'd be of great help.

He's never used acetone before. Should he wear a mask and/or gloves?


So there's no point for SWIM to fry the seeds until the pop first?


When SWIY says "continue adding FASA..." is SWIM to add more made FASA than the originally added 1g furmaric acid to 150ml acetone? He's just to use that same ratio?

Does this take awhile if just room temperature dried? ..Put a fan on it; use an oven?


Does SWIM need to use a cotton filter? Will a coffee or screen filter work?
A glass dish over a hotplate..that doesn't seem right to SWIM for some reason...Can he instead use a pan on the stovetop, or room temp evap?



Can he simply use a frying pan or stovetop pan on an electric range for the boiling and heating instead of a hot plate?

So after the limonene boils for 5 minutes SWIM can just pour off the liquid, and the undesirables will be sticking to the bottom?

How does the limonene "drop" the bufotenine? Crystals will form out of the liquid limonene while cooling in the dish?



Does SWIM use this same limonene from the cooling dish & pour it back with the undesirables, and re-boils and pours it back into the dish with the bufotenine?

Does SWIM use new limonene to boil the purified bufotenine... boil for 5 minutes?


So after pouring off the limonene, is some nasty stuff left in the pan? Just wash it out before re-using?


Will acetone in the fridge or freezer have any negative effect on the food? Should that just be avoided?

ooook! lets see if i can answer these questions simply

1. no...frying the seeds doesnt seem to matter all that much...because the d-limonene boil will HOPEFULLY get rid of all the toxins that frying them would get rid of..and more

2. just that amount of FASA will work..but you may want to make a bit more at that ratio..because your seeds may have more bufotenine in them than SWIMs...its always good to go a little overboard on the FASA

3. it will take a long time to dry at room temp..you can put it in an oven at a low temp..bufotenine vaporizes at like 600 degrees F..but you dont want it to get too hot..because who knows what heat plus the base will do..so keep it around 150 degrees F or lower..because much more than that the bufotenine will start to melt..and that may fuck up the process a bit

4. any sort of filter will work..SWIM just likes using cotton..seems to get everything...and the reason glass is used is because you have to scrape the resulting solid off..and glass is best for scraping..you dont want to use anything metal..so if you have some sort of pyrex dish or container that would be best.

5. as i said before..its best to use glass..because scraping stuff off of metal is not very pretty...and what happens is when you boil the d-limonene and add the impure bufotenine..there will be black droplets swirling around..but as soon as the d-limonene stops boiling those black droplets will sink and form a puddle..THAT is when you want to pour off the d-limonene because right after that the bufotenine will drop out..

what happens is when you boil the d-limonene it gets to a temperature that the bufotenine melts...and when it melts..it becomes soluble in the d-limonene...so after the d-limo stops boiling...and it calms down(no more bubbles) you want to pour it off the black puddle..because the bufotenine..once it starts becoming a solid again(its temp goes down past something like 170F) it isnt soluble in the d-limonene..and thats why it drops..and they arent really crystals..its more like strings..because its still very d-limoneney..

6. SWIM always used new d-limonene for every boil..you are using so little its not really a problem..

7. yes after boiling the d-limonene what is left over are the 'toxins' that cause the nausea..they are not pleasant..BUT there may still be bufo in there so boil that shit again..but like i said..its better to use glass..pyrex

8. SWIM never cooled his acetone..it may work..but..i dont think its necessary..and if you do put it in the fridge..make sure its covered well...by something that the fumes or acetone wont eat apart..like plastic..

i hope i covered everything...those are good questions..but it just takes some messing around to find the way to do it..SWIM made sooooooooooo many mistakes trying to extract bufotenine..but because of all those mistakes..he understands extraction and purification better than ever..

Awesome.. thanks. SWIM is getting a much more clearer idea of the process now

Should he wear a mask/gloves when working with acetone? Should he work outside or in a garage with it, and not say, a kitchen with a window open?

ehh acetone isnt too bad...just dont hold your hands in a bucket of it..and dont breathe in the fumes over the jar you use

oh boy oh boy some interesting experimentation via fucked up procedure.
so someone roasts 25 grams of seeds at 350 for an hour or so, grinds them to a fine powder and mixes it with 12.7 grams sodium carbonate and enough water... yeah put on some latex gloves and mashed that shit like an indian.
while he was waiting for it to dry he went and made some anhydrous mgso4 and got acetone and mek. he put the wet snuff in the oven after he turned it off after the mgso4 was done. half of it was a brighter color and more dry and the other half was a little less dry. he also got 4 8 oz bottles made of plastic with the #2 for the recycling number that have this cool cap that has a little flip open thing. he put a cotton ball in there and screwed on the cap after he mixed some mgso4 and acetone. in another bottle the 25g's of seeds were soaked with the anhydrous acetone (an unknown ammount that filled about half the bottle with the seeds in there. shake a shake the living hell out of it and poured that through the cotton into another bottle. in that bottle he added an unknown ammount of citric acid. instantly a precipitate formed. it was a thick clump of blackish red tar that fell to the bottom, it was pretty big. he got that thing out and saved the acetone.

with the precipitate he put it in a plastic bag that had almost as much sodium carbonate. he kneeded it and it went from white all around to a tan color to darker. when he tried mixing it in acetone again it didnt disolve. no water! doh! so he takes it out and adds a little water and mashes it around again and throws it back in. a little dissolves, not much. so he just added a little water to the acetone and the ball of gunk. shake it a while and add someore sodium carbonate. it dissolves. there is then a layer of white stuff (extra sodum carbonate disolved and precipitated in a layer of water) and a very red orange yellow acetone floating all around the bubble of white.

he squeezed that out onto a tray. as it was evaporating he took a metal pin and scraped the top layer that was drying around and some red stuff stuck to it and then there was yellow stuff in the water. after a while most of the red stuff was collected and put together and the yellow stuff and water took a while to evaporate, what was collected from that was tan crystals. a bioassay of the red gunk gave light tingling and a heavy body feel. no bioassay of the tan powder was done. seeing as bufo freebase is soluble in water im wondering if that tan stuff is a little bit of sodium carbonate and bufotenine and the red stuff is mostly gunk.

see, now he would have just taken some naptha and mek and mixed them together and dissolved both of them in it, but he couldnt get any naptha until a later day and he has no idea if the trick works with mek alone.

speculations?

Hm, so pyrex/glass is okay to heat on the stovetop or hotplate?



According to http://www.answers.com/topic/pyrex, starting in 1998, they stopped making Pyrex with the 'good' glass (borosilicate) and started making it with cheaper glass under the "World Kitchen" name, which you apparently can't use on the stove or in broiling.

Just a quick question about steps 7+8.

When the crystals form after the limonene cools down, will impurities in the limonene stop some of the bufotenine from forming as one? Now I see you folks are mainly using food grade but what if only 90% d-limonene was used?

i dont have an answer to that one..

but on another note..SWIM wanted to see if he could get his bufotenine from this extraction to crystallize in MEK...and well..there was something that wasnt getting taken up into the MEK...the MEK also turned a very dark amber color..but when it slowly evaporated it formed amber crystals..very beautiful ones too..then he ground them up to give them a better consistency and found that they went from dark amber crystals to the tan powder..

i read on here that 69ron's FOAF wasnt able to crystallize impure bufotenine..so this made SWIM feel fairly confident that this extraction tek does a fairly decent job cleaning up the bufo...but he would love to get some nice puuurrty white crystals...and he has so far been fairly unsuccessful..except for ONCE

did swim bioassay the crystals?

i heard of some stuff like that come out that was weak as hell and hard to hold in

yes it is hard to hold in..but SWIM thinks its because its so hot..so next time hes going to try letting it cool down a little bit before inhaling..it smells good though..

SWIM smoked some last night..but he had a bit too much to drink(honey mead cider is just so damn good) and it was getting pretty late..and it seems that this stuff produces a lot of smoke..he measured out 10mg..and got many lung fulls of the vapor..and hes sure there was still quite a bit left...so he may have only ingested 5mg worth before..well...he just kinda zoned out in his chair for a long time..he cant really explain it that well...it was very strange...but one thing that he has been noticing..is that the day after he smokes the stuff...he wakes up feeling like a million bucks..full of energy..happy...and for that whole day..he has these little strange visual effects..slight bending and shifting..and some neon lights..most of the time he forgets that its probably because he smoked bufotenine.

it really feels like hes taken something..but its just strange that bufotenine after effects last so long for him

so how do people acheive the 2 hour uberpotent trips 69ron explains? how do you get down that much smoke??

It's not that much smoke. SWIM's 15 mg's caused a VERY potent trip, and that was only 2 good sized tokes. One needs fairly pure extract, though.

Does SWIY have access to a RIMA? Perhaps that could help...

how has SWIY been extracting? and purifying?

It needs to be fairly pure and the smoking method makes a big difference. SWIM uses a custom assembled test tube vaporizer which traps all the vapor for you until you inhale it. You boil the bufotenine in the test tube using a candle flame and wait about 30 seconds before inhaling a large cloud of bufotenine vapor that collects in the test tube chamber. This way you get about 90% of the dose in one shot and the vapor isn't so hot by the time you inhale it.



Harmine does the job quite well. THH will make the trip last much longer, but won't make it stronger. THH + bufotenine is an excellent combination.