Ron says %10 HCL works fine, but a stronger solution will have the same effect, its just nastier to work with. Safer to dilute it

SWIM's crystals fit the description exactly (even down to the taste). SWIM's confident it won't crop up again unless he lets excess moisture into the his THP (since it's not soluble in limonene but soluble in water). He's fairly certain it contained some amount of mescaline though, which is why he decided to recycle it.

Re converting to HCL: My friend used 33% on some semi dry stuff and from what he could tell it burnt the product i would go 10%.
You can then wash with acetone and ipa as per the HCL tech.
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True, but I like the whole food grade element of this tek.

Me too.

I like the carbonated water idea too. That's also food grade. It's possible that using carbonate water will yield a cleaner product than either vinegar or HCl. The reason is that the carbonic acid in carbonated water is a very weak acid and only able to salt strong bases. Mescaline is a strong enough base to form a salt with it. The other alkaloids might not be. It’s my understanding that quite a bit of alkaloids will not form carbonates because they are not strong enough bases, but they would form acetates or hydrochlorides.

If carbonated water helps cut down the impurities then it’s a great improvement on the tech.

Also, what are the solubilities of mescaline carbonate? Is it soluble in alcohol? If not, you could maybe clean it using food grade alcohol.

There’s another thread for this carbonated water idea found here. I won’t talk much more about it in this thread. It would be great to develop a complete tech using D-limonene and carbonated water. Some people HATE the smell of vinegar, and mescaline acetate is hard to clean, leaving you with a sticky extract. The non-mescaline alkaloids are the cause of most of the stickiness. Pure mescaline acetate is white and has a DMT-like waxy texture.

So could you use carbonated water with the food grade DMT tek (calcium hydroxide & limonene) as well instead of vinegar?

You could but I think Fumaric acid saturated water is the way forward for that purpose. DMT just loves being sticky in anything else.

That said, I know nothing about DMT carbonate.

I don't think DMT carbonate is possible because it's pKa is very low. I could be wrong though. But anyway, this is WAY OFF TOPIC.

SWIM got fairly close to this the first time he used glacial acetic acid in d-H2O to salt and a food dehydrator to evap. White in the middle of the dish and red around the edges. It was tannish and waxy when scraped up.

Does this mean you can use seltzer water initially instead of vinegar?

That's what i'm hearing.

Give it a try! It'd be great to get as many testing this as possible. It should be much easier for most people anyway, considering the consistency of the salt and the lack of smell.

nice idea... I will try this next time I do a mesc extraction.
can one just use normal fizzy bottled water for this?

You folks amaze me with your household innovations. Keep raining miracles

Seconded. This forum amazes me. It's also pretty nice because my peruvian friend saved all his limonene.

SWIY should go with seltzer water that has no other ingredients besides carbonated water.

SWIM thinks perrier and that stuff has minerals and junk that would affect the final weight. Club soda often has preservatives and even high fructose corn syrup sometimes.

SWIM could only find one grocery store that has pure seltzer water, but I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard if you looked.

SWIM found his breakthrough dose with mescaline acetate at around 500mg. The acetate used was the purest he's had so far, as he used glacial acetic acid and a food dehydrator. The product was tan and waxy and not very gooey at all. The experience was the closest he's come to LSD without LSD. He's reached this point within a couple hours. SWIM's FOAF had a less powerful experience with the same does. Now SWIM's used the last of his acetate and will be moving on to carbonate.

What concentration vinegar is needed to work with? Swim can access to 10, 15, and 20% vinegar. Is it important how concentrated the vinegar?

5% is recommended, though I'm sure one could go much lower. I'm also pretty confident that the other grades you listed would do just fine without even requiring dilution, but why stray from what works so well? Just dilute your 10% with an equal volume distilled water.



A quick addition I'd like to make to this thread:

I started a fresh extraction yesterday, deciding to run a little experiment. I figured since my cactus/lime/water mixture always seems to retain 100ml of limonene, that I would add an extra 100ml of water, pushing the ratio from 3ml/g cactus, to 4ml/g cactus.

At first I was worried since the cactus mixture became MUCH softer than I'm used to, though this ended up being convenient for the mixing. I let the limo sit for 24hrs and poured it off. To my surprise I had STILL lost exactly 100ml like I always do! However, this time the vinegar washes took on that slightly yellowed color SWIYers have reported. I ended up with my best, cleanest yield from a first pull yet!

Though .9% at first seemed like an iota less than I usually pull, I had let this plate heat-dry to a very dry powder and I figure my initial measurements must have been skewed by some percentage water weight. The dry acetate xtals formed this huge beautiful clean pile that nigh made my eyes pop and mouth water.

My conclusion: experiment with the water ratio! Though over-saturated cactus seems to absorb just as much, if not more limonene, as long as one doesn't add way too much, the extra water seems to help the lime break the cactus down, and having softer cactus from the get-go makes the mixing more efficient. From now on I will definitely be using 3.5-4ml/g of cactus.

Once I'm done with the second pull (that's all I do anymore), I will post the final yield, along with a weight comparison between the mescaline acetate and purified mescaline HCl.

Just a quick question to 69ron:

How would SWIY feel about SWIM posting this tek on STI (somewhere that isn't) the shroomery?

They could really use this one over there, they are still using xylene and citric acid.

What do you say?