performing an extraction with each small amount separately may or may not give satisfactory results depending on the specific potency of those specimens. It might be more trouble than it's worth to do this at those quantities. Perhaps SWIY could consider making a tea with each species separately or possibly encapsulating each separated amount. This would be a good indicator of potency and allow one to experience the subtle difference of each without performing an extraction.

Even if one combined the two for a 50g extraction, one wouldn't expect a huge yield and in addition the unique qualities of each would be lost. These are just SWIM's thoughts.

swim....is very excited as he has 100g pedro soaking ind d-limonene...following the steps of this beautiful tek that was posted by ron.

Swim does have a couple questions, and i do apoligize if they were already answered in this 30 page long thread (which he only read the first few pages).

After swim....lets the powder soak in the d-limonene (it's been soaking for 2 hrs. now)...he notices that the d-limo is saturated by the powder and he's afraid when it comes time to filter through a coffee filter, he will not be able to retrieve all the d-limo (it has an alomost jellotin consistancy). He does have a bodum (french press) available to him....swim was just wondering what other peoples experiences have been with filtering out the d-limo.....it seems as if there would be a significant amount of d-limo lost, if one were not to squeeze it all out....which is why swim was thinking of using a french press. Any thoughts?

The only other question swim has.....besides the 3 pulls done on the d-limo w/ vinegar, using a sep funnel....which will be pooled together into one baking dish (the 3 vinegar pulls), and placed on an digital hotplate with a fan on it to dry.

The way the tek was worded, confused swim. Should he hold onto the wet powder, and then do the whole process 2 more times? Should he use fresh d-limo for the same plant matter or can he use the same d-limo that he pulled the alks out of with the vinegar?

Any feedback would be much appreciated. Swim is excited !!!!

Ah the goo problem. I found that a french press didn't work so well. What I did was pour of the loose limo and then gently teased the rest out using a potato masher and gravity by leaning the vessel slightly on its side. The jellotin thing doesn't happen most of the times I've done this tek... just once or twice. I would recommend soaking for a good 24 hours before pouring off the limonene though.

You can re-use the same limonene, but you'll need to do less pulls and get cleaner stuff if you go with fresh stuff.

.....swim was thinking of letting it soak for more than the original reccomended time, simply because of his schedule, so it sound's like that can work in his favor.

I think swim will take swiy's approach and pour off what d-limo that he can and then with the rest, he'll give the french press a try and see how it works out.

So, the answer to my question is yes....don't discard the wet powder.....it is good for another two extractions.

Swims only issue is that when he read the original tek.....it said Requirments : 100g of SP and 300 ml of d-limo.....so swim bought 200g of SP and only 2 pints of d-limo (thinking that would be plenty of solvent). So if he were to recycle the old d-limo for further extractions how many less pulls shoud he do....as appose to 3, or is there any way to clean it. Mabey swim should just buy more d-limo and use the 2 pints for the 1st 100g's.....this is his first trial run.

Ofcourse any feedback is greatly appeciated.

swim is noticing that it's losing it's jellotin consistancy and becoming more fluid, as time passes. Been soaking for 4 hrs.

After 14 hrs. of soaking....swim though it might be a good time to get ot all the d-limo and do a couple vinegar pulls before he heads to work.

The one issue he is having, is the exact issue that he anticiptaed.....which is there is still a missing 100 ml. stuck in the powder.

Swim poured off any loose d-limo through a coffe filter into a mason jar....then he took the satured poweder and put it into a french press.He has done two press's with it and it will get out some but so for swim has retrieved 200 of the 300ml d-limo that went into it.

Does anyone have any other techniques?......swim can alway's squeeze it through cheesescloth.....or is this not really a big deal because swim is gonna soak this same batch in some new d-limo and that will bring out the goods anyway?

Any thought's ?

I just leaned the jar on it's side and let gravity do the work and every now and then I squeezed it with a potato masher. I wouldn't worry too much about that 100ml though, especially if it's being very stubborn. If you're4 going to do another 2-3 pulls you'll get most of the mescaline eventually.

thanx brother.

Swim, is pulling from the d-limo and he might have let a drop or two of the d-limo get into the vinegar.....is that a big deal??

Well SWIM successfully extracted a 50g mix of 25g dried san pedro and 25g dried achuma!
His first d-limo pull has yielded 472mg.

SWIM decided to dry his pull with no heat and was pleasantly suprised to find that his pull dried in less than 24 hours with a fan blowing down directly on it for probably half that time. His mescaline acetate is light tan and sticky, but definetely not difficult to handle, and mostly just sticks to itself.

SWIM's question is, because he has extracted a "franken-mescaline" mix, is his recommonded dosages going to still be nearly identical to the mescalne hcl range as suggest in the original post?




Perhaps SWIM is treading new water with his franken-mescaline, and will have to report back!

Got a question for some chemists. instead of using vinegar(acetic acid) could one use like coca-cola(or maybe phosphoric acid saturated water) to yield mescaline phosphate. SWIM has a feeling that mescaline phosphate would be the most active at low doses. thanks

Many, many thumbs up for this one.

SWIM yielded over 1.5% and still pulling.

No joke about that 200mg active dose either, SWIM reported a very strong experience at that level.

Also, for those having trouble with drying, I heard a blow drier works wonders at the very end stage, when it will not dry out completely. You simply scrape the film around the dish, and give it intermittent blasts of hot, dry air with the blow drier.

And getting orange oil in the vinegar does not seem to be a big deal at all. SWIM says he thinks it just evaporates before the vinegar does (after an hour or so, the orange smell is gone, replaced by a strong vinegar smell).

SWIM is also trying the idea mentioned a few pages back about using pure seltzer water to salt out the mesc in an effort to make mescaline carbonate. It's drying right now, I have heard.

Swim has his extraction drying right now.......he sat a baking dish on a digital hotplate and set the temp to 100 c, also w/ a fan blowing on it.

He sat it overnight and in the morning it appeared dry, so he scraped it up, but as it turns out...it wasn't really dry and he ended up with brown gooey resin like substance. So....now it is all clumped together which makes it harder to dry, so he put it back on the hotplate.

I've read that other people end up getting crystals.....does anyone know if swims goo is just a result of scraping it too soon, or could it be because he did get some d-limo into the vinegar extraction?

Any thoughts?

SWIM says that the seltzer water worked like a charm.

Pure white (well, slightly yellowish) carbonate needles.

Couldn't be easier.

I let everything air dry in a non-drafty room and it dried to a crystaline structure, but it was still waxy so it didn't maintain this form after scraping.

How long did swiy let it sit do dry?

The overall tek couldn't be any easier but it takes a while to dry. Swim wants to dose, but would like to be able to get a measurement. Swim might have to dip his finger in it anyway and give it a taste.

How long did swiy let it sit for?

Man.....this tek couldn't be any easier, but it just takes a while to dry. Swim might have to dip his finger in the goo and give it a taste!

That's an interesting idea.

Do you know if its active and actually mescaline carbonate? Is it insoluble in water and the d-limonene?

How do you keep everything from bubbling up like crazy when you mix the carbonated water with the d-limonene?

Could SWIY post a picture? What was the yield like?

It sounds great

No pictures because SWIM's girlfriend ate it minutes after scraping it up.

It was less than 100mg, but she noticed effects at around the five hour point. It seemed to SWIM that she got a pretty good peak out of it, which tapered off and she fell asleep soon afterward.

SWIM simply added room temperature seltzer water to some d-limonene that had already been salted from with vinegar two or three times.

This was just for the hell of it to see what would happen.

Bubbling didn't really go crazy or anything, even though I shook it up some. A very clear layer formed within minutes, and it was drawn off with a flavor injecting syringe.

The seltzer water was then evaporated to reveal a small amount of nicely shaped crystals dissolved in the water.

Scraping showed them to be hard, slightly off white, needle shaped crystals that tasted really bitter on SWIM's tongue.

SWIM would love to try this with a fresh limonene pull. He also recommends that you guys give this a shot with your next limonene pull. What do you have to lose? Seltzer water is less than a dollar, just make sure it only has carbonated water on the ingredients.