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#41 Posted : 11/4/2009 9:06:40 AM

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Because there is a corresponding archetype in our subconscious which demands manifestation.
 

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#42 Posted : 11/4/2009 9:36:29 AM

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Regarding astrology: I don't believe that the planets effect us via some kind of "invisible rays of energy", but I don't deny the assertion that the movement of the planets may be somehow synchronized with the events of human history, perhaps down to the tiniest scale. If astrology has some merit, then this is the basis of it, not some kind of cause-effect relationship.
 
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#43 Posted : 11/4/2009 10:10:19 AM

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This is all a bunch of nonsense, but because some people believe something will happen on 2012 then of course they will makes things happen.

Think of it as the year 2000. In 1999 people thought all sorts of chaos was going to happen when the year 2000 came about and they were preparing for it. Well, it came and went, and there was no chaos. A few computers had trouble with the date update, that was all.

2012 will pass just like 2000.

I think it's a great time to celebrate the Mayans though. I will definitely celebrate the event. It's a once in a life time celebration opportunity. 2012 will never happen again. Join the party, have fun, and then go back to work the next day, business as usual.
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#44 Posted : 11/4/2009 1:28:47 PM
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Why?
Simple...Because many DMT users believe everything you'l say, as long as it involves mystery and paranormal events.

I don't think that this is caused by brain damage as the result of exessive use of DMT, but that very susceptible people are just naturally drawn to this substance.

Just like it's more likely that people who like to watch sci-fi movies are more likely to believe in things like 'roswell' than people who rather watch 'notting hill','three weddings and a funeral'and other hugh grant featuring movies. They are more likely to believe in impossible romance and such.Rolling eyes
 
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#45 Posted : 11/4/2009 1:44:37 PM

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polytrip wrote:
Why?
Simple...Because many DMT users believe everything you'l say, as long as it involves mystery and paranormal events.

I don't think that this is caused by brain damage as the result of exessive use of DMT, but that very susceptible people are just naturally drawn to this substance.

Just like it's more likely that people who like to watch sci-fi movies are more likely to believe in things like 'roswell' than people who rather watch 'notting hill','three weddings and a funeral'and other hugh grant featuring movies. They are more likely to believe in impossible romance and such.Rolling eyes



Who cares what I actually believe. It will happen or not. Who cares..
I often thought about this life and many times i asked myself, if there is a reason or meaning to it.

I sometimes was so desperate I saw NOthing to it.

Just a random life on a planet called earth.

But other times, i meet some highly developed people. Very insightful and truthfull loving people who are so loving and helping that i have to say: THERE IS FAITH.

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#46 Posted : 11/4/2009 3:07:02 PM
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Mr_DMT wrote:


But other times, i meet some highly developed people. Very insightful and truthfull loving people who are so loving and helping that i have to say: THERE IS FAITH.



What do you mean by there is faith? My understanding of faith is to believe something completly without any evidence to back up what you believe is correct. If you consider a vision you've seen as evidence to support your belief then you would be having faith in your vision to support your belief, unless you conduct experiments with your visions to determine weather they have any truth concerning the "Reality" we all seem to experience, backed by scientific observations, if you can confirm it through reality then its no longer faith, its something you have found to be true.

Is there faith, of course. You can blindly believe anything you want, thats faith.


Also....

Reality can be confirmed for the most part by many others observing the exact thing, if the whole world can constanly check it and find it to be true then it does exist in our reality. Personnaly in my own views, how could anyone consider that you have to observe something for it to exsist, i think it would be more like your not sure it exists, or have no proof until you observe it. Would you really logicly consider that a star does not exist until you've seen it? Sounds to far fetched for me, i connect that with seeing a star and somewhat through physics determining its age and finding that it existed millions of years before you discovered it.



They say that shit floats, but mine sinks....why?? I guess i'm just into some heavy shit!
 
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#47 Posted : 11/4/2009 3:43:21 PM
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There has to be some form of faith. You believe the ground will not spontaneously cave in while you walk. You trust your heart to continue beating when you can't control it. And more importantly, you believe that you will wake up the next day to go about your job or business. Without some form of faith you'd be nothing. One would argue "we use physics and chemistry to prove the ground will not collapse" yes that's true but....We still haven't proven that any of it actually exists in the first place. To my knowledge there is no way to prove anyone is an individual.

What really interests me, speaking of "reality" again, is the specific feeling that we get while using DMT. For me, for a split second of the trip I actually understand something. Usually it's something like "the body is irrelevant why are you still clinging to it?" and I see what we could be without it. I've always heard people talking about things like "we are nothing, and everything" and it never really made sense until then. I'm not sure why altering the brain chemistry for a few minutes would allow this understanding. Trying to prove it however, is an entirely different matter. I think we'd have to try to prove this while we were all experiencing the same trip. Otherwise it's free game.
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#48 Posted : 11/4/2009 4:03:27 PM
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I understand that you have to have faith in somethings, i was stating that of course there is faith, you even have to have faith in science. But if reality did not exist, how would you figure that your here to experience it and talk about it? You wouldn't be! because you would not exist. There may be more to how we perceive reality, some things in reality we can't perceive, but reality has to exist for you to observe it. And all of reality can't be confirmed, but some of it can, maybe not how it operates as solid confirmanation, but is deffintly consistent through out all life.
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#49 Posted : 11/4/2009 5:02:42 PM
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"Why do so many DMT users believe in 2012?"

Because hippies are obsessed with the Maya, because they built pyramids and ate mushrooms. And hippies want change.

The computer-clock-bug did nothing in the year 2000, and I doubt anything will happen when the Mayan's calendar runs out either.
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#50 Posted : 11/4/2009 5:24:57 PM

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faith is a real thing that people should have and use, but it's tantamount to instinct... what you learn and you understand in the world denotes what you should have faith in... there's nothing wrong with having faith in something if you have evidence to believe it, the unknown is the leap, the problem is having faith in something with no evidence at all, because the leap is too large.

Mr_DMT I think that's a misconception that "non-believers" or whatever actually believe in a life with no meaning or purpose, I think you'd be surprised how far from the truth that is... in fact my scientific side has given me a greater sense of my place in the universe, and I can have faith in it because I have the evidence to believe it.

Don't forget there are 300 billion+ galaxies, you have astronomers to thank for that understanding, I could go on, but frankly just that fact alone says there isn't nothing, I mean what more do you want? religion is really rather pedestrian here... but I think it's really a frame of reference, some people hear 300 billion galaxies and they feel more alone, smaller, I don't see it that way, I feel lucky, and I see an almost unbelievable amount of mysteries and surprises... when you really understand modern science, you start to feel like anything is possible. It's much more spirtual than any holy book.
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#51 Posted : 11/4/2009 5:31:50 PM

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Sorry guys
I'm german Smile
IF you switch the word faith into destiny, my opinion would be clearer^^.
But you can read it as it is. I think it's true anyway.

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#52 Posted : 11/4/2009 6:06:42 PM

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2012 turned into some huge conspiracy theory. Everyday theres seems to be a new thing that "might" happen. Ancient aliens, rapture, doomsday, and the list goes on. People seem to be exploiting this whole event with books and whatnot, its really gotten out of hand, and i expect it to get worse as we get closer. From what i gather its like when the odometer on your car hits the max and goes back to zero to begin again. Its the beginning of a new cycle, being around for that should be pretty cool though.
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#53 Posted : 11/4/2009 6:11:13 PM

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The approach to 2000 was nothing compared to this though.
The universe is an infinite harmony of vibrating beings in an elaborate range of expansion-contraction ratios, frequency modulations, and so forth.
 
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#54 Posted : 11/4/2009 7:32:43 PM
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people who like seeing entities and being transported through other dimensions already have an affinity for things of a different order than that of everyday-life.

people you find in a casino are also more likely to believe in something mysterious as 'luck' than every ordinary man on the street.
 
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#55 Posted : 11/4/2009 8:05:11 PM

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Seven wrote:
The approach to 2000 was nothing compared to this though.


Really? My wife had no idea of the meaning of 2012. I have a lot of friends that also have no idea why 2012 is special. Everyone I know knew about the "Chaos of 2000" which never happened. So I think 2000 was definitely more than anything 2012 will amount to because most people don't even know anything about the year 2012, just a few people here and some people who study the Mayans. No else I know knows about it.
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#56 Posted : 11/4/2009 8:08:40 PM

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If you google 2012, most of the results seem to be about the movie Smile Well the top results anyway... scrub that... the UK olympics also.

I would absolutely piss my pants if Jesus came back though... man! he would get paparazzi'd the living shit out of!!!
 
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#57 Posted : 11/4/2009 8:32:22 PM

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69ron wrote:
Seven wrote:
The approach to 2000 was nothing compared to this though.


Really? My wife had no idea of the meaning of 2012. I have a lot of friends that also have no idea why 2012 is special. Everyone I know knew about the "Chaos of 2000" which never happened. So I think 2000 was definitely more than anything 2012 will amount to because most people don't even know anything about the year 2012, just a few people here and some people who study the Mayans. No else I know knows about it.


yeah you could be right, 2012 seems to be more underground compared to the millennium. Not many people i know, know or care about it either. Its starting to pop up on the history channel here and there, and mainstream media. What i meant by the statement you quoted was, that every new-ager seems to be jumping on-board and writing a book, or making a theory. 2000 just seemed like everyone was worried about the comps screwing up, not rogue planets hitting ours, aliens, pole shifts etc.
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#58 Posted : 11/4/2009 8:58:00 PM

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Seven wrote:
69ron wrote:
Seven wrote:
The approach to 2000 was nothing compared to this though.


Really? My wife had no idea of the meaning of 2012. I have a lot of friends that also have no idea why 2012 is special. Everyone I know knew about the "Chaos of 2000" which never happened. So I think 2000 was definitely more than anything 2012 will amount to because most people don't even know anything about the year 2012, just a few people here and some people who study the Mayans. No else I know knows about it.


yeah you could be right, 2012 seems to be more underground compared to the millennium. Not many people i know, know or care about it either. Its starting to pop up on the history channel here and there, and mainstream media. What i meant by the statement you quoted was, that every new-ager seems to be jumping on-board and writing a book, or making a theory. 2000 just seemed like everyone was worried about the comps screwing up, not rogue planets hitting ours, aliens, pole shifts etc.


Yeah, in that way there is no comparison at all, but I didn’t mention the fact that some people actually thought the world was going to end in the year 2000 as ridiculous as it sounded, I actually knew 2 people who thought that!
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Considering i'm a londoner,i will be enjoying the biggest sporting event in history in 2012.And after that,well if anything is to be believed, i'm either gonna be part of a cataclysmic or transformative event.

Worst case scenario,it'll be just another day.And i'll be at the office Very happy

I'm not gonna dwell on ifs and buts...just go with the flow Cool
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#60 Posted : 11/5/2009 3:56:11 PM
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Not that i have really found to many differnet sources stating it actually predicts the year 2012, i think the 2000 myth spurred off of the 2012, it was the myth spread from not many but some people knowing of the 2012 deal and others incorrectly passing the date as 2000. Though there are sources saying 2012, there are no sources of any 2000 prediction bassed on any religion or predicted by any person i have ever seen. Only really know one myth as in all computers would crash due to some dating system, i doubted that myth and it turns out i was correct.
They say that shit floats, but mine sinks....why?? I guess i'm just into some heavy shit!
 
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