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Hi, Is Ca(OH)2 usable for dry tek from powder too? 'Life is an illusion designed to keep your mind occupied while you are digested by God.'
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zubidlo wrote:Hi,
Is Ca(OH)2 usable for dry tek from powder too? yes you should read the 69ron tek on the wiki All posts written by Madcap should be regarded as fiction.
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dg,
As you stated, the STB worked extremely well on the fresh Achuma SWIM extracted the other day. Furthermore, the stuff was ridiculously clean. There was literally no dirty sanchez. This certainly makes working with fresh cactus even easier. So basically, if one wanted to run a faster tek, they could do the A/B that this thread is about, BUT, avoid the whole despining and deskinning process, which would take even more time off the extraction. OR, one could simply do the STB on the fresh cacti if they have a bit more time for the extraction. Both are viable options. Also dg, I've seen your re-x method and very much like it.
Antichode,
KOH is far superior to lye IMO. SWIM just used lye for this tek since most people are more familiar with it.
Pano,
No defat was done on this tek. SWIM doesn't feel it's necessary because he will end up cleaning up his mesc anyways, even if it looks very clean on the initial pulls.
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So I finally got around to using a PC as in this tek.... Gotta say it saves a hell of a lot of time. Aprox 2 hours total cooking time (including the initial boil to 'de froth'.
Still takes hours to reduce down but thats un avoidable, and Im not a fan of using huge amounts of basic liquid to get the job done, I prefer to work with a few hundred mls.
The classics eh, cant beat em
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It definitely saves some time on the initial acidified cooks. How did the end product turn out for you?
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Havent got there yet HP, fit as much as I could into the PC and am now on the second batch.... will proceed once all the reductions are collected. Looks good tho, bone shattering bitter 
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Alright, so here's where I'm at with this. My pressure cooker finally arrived so I got my cooks and the reduction completed yesterday. After the reduction cooled I pH'd it with around 225g NaOH then added a bit of D-limo; shook the bottle and let it settle for a bit. I ended up with a black layer on the bottom, quite a thick brown emulsion in the middle and a very thin layer of D-limo on top. Looking at the emulsion I figured that it wasn't basic enough so I added a touch more lye, shook it again and was left with a very large emulsion that took several hours to separate into once again a slightly smaller emulsion with a thin layer of D-limo. I'm not sure where to go from here. Is it possible that it's too basic? Or should I try adding a little salt and maybe a hot water bath? thanks in advance My mind craves nectar day and night.
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Lingering in ashantic realms
Lingering in the akashic realms
Lingering in, lingering in the realms.
Blue lotus floats, floating, floating..
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Ekstasis wrote:Alright, so here's where I'm at with this. My pressure cooker finally arrived so I got my cooks and the reduction completed yesterday. After the reduction cooled I pH'd it with around 225g NaOH then added a bit of D-limo; shook the bottle and let it settle for a bit. I ended up with a black layer on the bottom, quite a thick brown emulsion in the middle and a very thin layer of D-limo on top. Looking at the emulsion I figured that it wasn't basic enough so I added a touch more lye, shook it again and was left with a very large emulsion that took several hours to separate into once again a slightly smaller emulsion with a thin layer of D-limo.
I'm not sure where to go from here. Is it possible that it's too basic? Or should I try adding a little salt and maybe a hot water bath?
thanks in advance How much cactus did you start with? If you have an adequate amount of room left in the extraction vessel, try this... Slowly dissolve about 50-75 grams of NaOH in 250-350 milliliters of water, then add to the extraction vessel. Shake up good again. Then add some more d-limo, until you see a decent layer form, then shake. You should see your d-limo layer separate nicely, and you can proceed with the extraction. It's strange because sometimes SWIM will get what your describing in your extraction, sometimes it will barely form the brown emulsion layer at all. If there's one thing SWIM learned about cactus extractions as opposed to dmt extractions is that there can be a lot of variations between extractions. Good luck...
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I started with 4 12" San Pedro cuttings. I went ahead and added the extra NaOH & D-limo like you suggested. No good, it's still just one big sludgy mess. I'm thinking this one might be beyond salvageable. I'm going to try one more NaOH addition and see what happens; if that doesn't work then I just don't know. I've got a few more cuttings so I can give it another go. My mind craves nectar day and night.
Like a blue lotus floating on the sea of love.
Lingering in ashantic realms
Lingering in the akashic realms
Lingering in, lingering in the realms.
Blue lotus floats, floating, floating..
Some laugh, some weep, some dance for joy.
My mind craves nectar day and night.
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heavenlypursuit wrote:You will need to take the dried powder and boil it down for a bit longer than the fresh cactus. Just stir and stir, and stir some more for about a 1/2 hour. You'll notice the cactus start to slightly separate from the water. At this point, stop stirring and see if there is any foam that builds up. If there is no more foam, it is then safe to put the top on the pressure cooker and get the pressure up to 15psi. When using powdered cactus, let the cactus stay at 15psi for 15-20 minutes. At that point, the cactus WILL separate from liquid and allow you to continue with your next two pulls. However, this tek is way more work than is necessary for dried powder. All one really needs to do with powder is base strongly with NaOH or KOH, put in solvent, shake up and let sit for about 12-24 hours. Then just pull the top solvent layer, salt, put the solvent layer back into the extraction vessel, then repeat 3-4 more times. SWIM performs this tek by adding about 500ml of a 30% KOH solution to 100 grams of cactus powder. He shakes the crap out of the jar, then adds about a 3-4 inch layer of d-limo. Shakes vigorously a few more times, then lets the jar sit for 24 hours. He then pulls the d-limo off the top, salts and repeats another 4 times. This tek takes a bit longer, but it is probably the easiest mescaline extraction tek there is. Once SWIM gets some more powder in, he can do a writeup for that tek if anybody is interested. Does SWIY let the 500ml of the 30% KOH solution sit with the cactus powder for a while before adding the limo? SWIM just mixed about 2.25L 30% KOH solution with a little less than 450 grams of powder. A couple hours later it is still very snotty, and not runny at all. Also it isn't as dark as when he added equal parts lye water and powder a week ago. He will probably wait a day or so before adding any Limo.
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it can take about a week for the koh to break down the cactus sludge. be patient.
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Thanks. I will. I guess it's not so bad my Limo didn't come in the mail today. I have no choice but to wait.
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Ekstasis wrote:I started with 4 12" San Pedro cuttings.
I went ahead and added the extra NaOH & D-limo like you suggested. No good, it's still just one big sludgy mess. I'm thinking this one might be beyond salvageable. I'm going to try one more NaOH addition and see what happens; if that doesn't work then I just don't know. I've got a few more cuttings so I can give it another go. SWIM's not really sure what is going on here. You easily have enough base to break down the cactus, which will in turn make the layers separate easily. SWIM has run into similar problems, and adding a bit more base with some water alleviated the issue. Did you add the cactus chunks into the extraction vessel, or just the tea? The only way SWIM could see the problem happening is if the cactus chunks were added to the extraction vessel, which is okay to do, SWIM does it all the time. If you did add the chunks, try straining the liquid from the cactus. Once all the liquid is strained, your layers should separate easily. DON'T give up yet!
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landfishd wrote:heavenlypursuit wrote:You will need to take the dried powder and boil it down for a bit longer than the fresh cactus. Just stir and stir, and stir some more for about a 1/2 hour. You'll notice the cactus start to slightly separate from the water. At this point, stop stirring and see if there is any foam that builds up. If there is no more foam, it is then safe to put the top on the pressure cooker and get the pressure up to 15psi. When using powdered cactus, let the cactus stay at 15psi for 15-20 minutes. At that point, the cactus WILL separate from liquid and allow you to continue with your next two pulls. However, this tek is way more work than is necessary for dried powder. All one really needs to do with powder is base strongly with NaOH or KOH, put in solvent, shake up and let sit for about 12-24 hours. Then just pull the top solvent layer, salt, put the solvent layer back into the extraction vessel, then repeat 3-4 more times. SWIM performs this tek by adding about 500ml of a 30% KOH solution to 100 grams of cactus powder. He shakes the crap out of the jar, then adds about a 3-4 inch layer of d-limo. Shakes vigorously a few more times, then lets the jar sit for 24 hours. He then pulls the d-limo off the top, salts and repeats another 4 times. This tek takes a bit longer, but it is probably the easiest mescaline extraction tek there is. Once SWIM gets some more powder in, he can do a writeup for that tek if anybody is interested. Does SWIY let the 500ml of the 30% KOH solution sit with the cactus powder for a while before adding the limo? SWIM just mixed about 2.25L 30% KOH solution with a little less than 450 grams of powder. A couple hours later it is still very snotty, and not runny at all. Also it isn't as dark as when he added equal parts lye water and powder a week ago. He will probably wait a day or so before adding any Limo. Yes, the d-limo is added right away. A couple hours later is not sufficient time for the KOH to break down the cactus. The directions state to let the cactus soak in the KOH for 12-24 hours, and that is a minimum. Also, color is not a great indicator of how well the base is working. SWIM's based cactus will be different colors many times (ranging from dark red to nearly black). Landfishd is correct that it takes KOH longer to break down the cactus, but you won't need to wait a week. SWIM has gotten nice yields after pulling on the cactus after soaking in KOH/limo for a day.
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Ok thank you. SWIM was just wasn't sure if you should let the KOH sit with the cactus before adding the Limo because he thought this would create emulsions or fatty layers if it hasn't fully broken down yet.
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What beautiful quality material you ended up with!  I think I may use this technique when I give my extraction a go. I will share results. “The most compelling insight of that day was that this awesome recall had been brought about by a fraction of a gram of a white solid, but that in no way whatsoever could it be argued that these memories had been contained within the white solid. Everything I had recognized came from the depths of my memory and my psyche. I understood that our entire universe is contained in the mind and the spirit. We may choose not to find access to it, we may even deny its existence, but it is indeed there inside us, and there are chemicals that can catalyze its availability.”
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always used 69ron´s tek but the press part is kind of a pain and quite messy not to mention all the limonene that gets trapped.I'm thinking of using this tek,boiling the dried chips (with out grinding) and filtering them. boil 3 times,filter, reduce, base and salt... this way not only the messy mush thing would be avoided but less limonene would be used, not to mention the possibility of larger yields. sounds good? im just a blue reindeer, dont listen to me, listen to her: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ABIkH7m0s
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Sounds good man. Please report back on how it turns out for you.
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This thread is very useful, thank you for putting your time into it. If one had 2 ft of cactus, reduced in a tea, to a volume of 100ml, what would be the desired procedure for basifying? The fresh weight was about 1800-2000g. I was going to basify with lye, would calcium hydroxide/lime be better for any reason? I don't have the equipment to measure ph, so I figured lye would be easiest to work with. Maybe 100g lye to 300ml water, total 400ml solution (more water?. Add 100ml xylene per pull. And salt using the guidelines in this thread, 8-10 drops 30% in 120ml distilled water. Pull and evap the water, re use solvent. Sound like I'm on the right track? Is 2ft bridgesii worth pulling or should I pick up a little pedro to go with it? (I know I got a thread already, but there's a lot of knowledge being exchanged here and thought I'd add my .02) Should I 'clean' my bridgesii alks or keep it 'dirty'? My ego is insane, but I'm alright
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oneistheall wrote:always used 69ron´s tek but the press part is kind of a pain and quite messy not to mention all the limonene that gets trapped.... I have seen this comment before by others. And i dont really understand, or maybe i do. The only time when i couldnt get the xylene out easily (using a french press), it was because i had added a bit too much water. (The yield was also kind of dissapointing btw) If the correct amount of water is added, the cactus-calciumhydroxide-water-mix wil be wet, not snotty/smooth paste. It will be sort of crumbly and it will easily be give up the NP when pressed. Do you think the problem could be caused by too much water? --- To the OP: Good to hear about the excesive amount of sodiumhydroxide needed for desnottyfying. I didnt know that. Also your helpfull pictures and explainations are a nice addition to the mescalinecorner. “The most important thing in illness is never to lose heart.” -Nikolai Lenin
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