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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil) Options
 
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#401 Posted : 5/15/2009 3:59:50 PM

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So my friend told me the following story...

I have done two pulls with two different San Pedro powder's from two different sources(Heavenly products and compras peru) and both times the yield was only 500mgs. Is this a normal yield? SWIM ingested 300mg of his compras extract at it was only a mild experience, but definitely active. This seems like a LOT of work to just produce about a dose of the acetate. SWIM attributes his lower then expected yields to the fact that he did not have an efficient way to squeeze out all the limonene from the powder mix, but even then that would at most produce about 100ml of limonene(based off how much i had and how much i used.) which would not be holding much more of the desired product, so there must be something else( bad batches, or low grade powder?). If any posters have any recommendations to increase the yield it will be greatly appreciated.



SWIM has had less than good yields from Heavenly..and the material is barely active..

ugh, what a bummer... based on comments in the supplier thread, SWIM was under the impression that Heavenly was reputed to have good cactus and got a bunch of it Sad
 

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#402 Posted : 5/15/2009 4:30:53 PM

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I just want to thank 69Ron again for this brilliantly innovative tek.
My buddy's results;

70gm Dried T.Pach outer skins yielded over 900mg mixed alkaloids.

Two thumbs up! Way up!

if you don't mind SWIM asking, were the original skins from HP?
 
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#403 Posted : 5/15/2009 5:13:40 PM

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ommani wrote:
Jorkest wrote:
Psychonaut1613 wrote:
So my friend told me the following story...

I have done two pulls with two different San Pedro powder's from two different sources(Heavenly products and compras peru) and both times the yield was only 500mgs. Is this a normal yield? SWIM ingested 300mg of his compras extract at it was only a mild experience, but definitely active. This seems like a LOT of work to just produce about a dose of the acetate. SWIM attributes his lower then expected yields to the fact that he did not have an efficient way to squeeze out all the limonene from the powder mix, but even then that would at most produce about 100ml of limonene(based off how much i had and how much i used.) which would not be holding much more of the desired product, so there must be something else( bad batches, or low grade powder?). If any posters have any recommendations to increase the yield it will be greatly appreciated.



SWIM has had less than good yields from Heavenly..and the material is barely active..

ugh, what a bummer... based on comments in the supplier thread, SWIM was under the impression that Heavenly was reputed to have good cactus and got a bunch of it Sad


SWIM has tried Pedro from HP and FV many times now and both were excellent with 100 g of skins always yielding over 1 gram (5 grams in one case!). Like anything natural though, the potency is going to vary from lot to lot. I suspect that the time of year its harvested affects potency.

When SWIM does this tech, he usually lets the d-limonene sit in the cactus mix overnight before doing a pull. Maybe that’s why his yields are so high.

I noticed that FV now has Trichocereus bridgesii powder. Has anyone tried that?
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#404 Posted : 5/15/2009 5:18:40 PM

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thanks ron, that makes SWIM feel a little better...
 
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#405 Posted : 5/15/2009 8:19:26 PM

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SWIM is using an oven set at 200 (as low as it goes) to evaporate with the door on the oven cracked. It seems to be working, but SWIM was worried about damaging the mescaline from the heat... any input would be awesome!
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#406 Posted : 5/15/2009 8:25:15 PM
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SWIM is considering using a dessicant rather than oven as ambient evap is much too slow. Throw in jar and then put the jar into a simple dessication bowl and use similarly to desiccating mushrooms. will post results when reached.
 
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#407 Posted : 5/16/2009 1:07:05 AM

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if you don't mind SWIM asking, were the original skins from HP?


No, I purchased growing T.Pach and peeled them myself. This way I get growing rootstock and skins.
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#408 Posted : 5/16/2009 10:29:22 AM

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Crazy nite SWIM is having. SWIM tried 30 grams of bidgesii, and look out. Ron the tek seems great but I had no luck on my first go round. His supplier was trichoserieus.com great service top of the line quality. Well Swim is off to see the Wizard!!! AAAdios...
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#409 Posted : 5/16/2009 6:23:39 PM

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SWIM was successful! he is at 1100mg and doing one more pull.
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#410 Posted : 5/17/2009 10:05:59 AM
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So my buddy told me that he did this extraction but is having some problems..

His evaporations produced a good amount of white-yellow, orange, and red-brown crystals and goo which smells like bitter soy-sauce, but it doesn't seem to be active! He has taken up to 350mg with very little effect (some apparent sedative effects and goofyness, but It may have been only a placebo). After about 2 hours the 'effects' are gone. This same experience is reported by others who have tried this extract.

He dried the cactus in the oven at 150F, and evap'ed the vinegar in the oven as well. Also, lime was quite difficult to obtain - he ended up purchasing the lime from an indian grocery store (called "Raja Chuna" - says 100% CaOH), but it is obviously quite old.

He's trying to figure out the problem. Possible causes:
1) Bad cactus. Fresh San Pedro was found and dried. Misidentification is possible, but very unlikely. It's san pedro alright, but maybe it lacks the goods? Some is still left, he might be able to take picturs.

2) Bad lime. The stuff was olddd - all clumped together. Could this make a difference?

3) Heat. 150F *shouldn't* hurt the cactus or mesc. acetate, right?

4) Inaccurate weighing - some of the goo was not fully dried, potentially causing an over-estimation of weight due to residual vinegar.

Any thoughts?

BTW, my buddy would like to thank 69ron and everyone in this thread for the great info!
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#411 Posted : 5/17/2009 10:12:32 AM

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swim uses the same lime (little green container eh ?) but has not bioassayed his product yet.
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#412 Posted : 5/17/2009 8:26:55 PM

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SWIM's almost done bioassaying his product. Next time he will not use any heat and see if there's a difference. 250mg has pretty much been his threshold psychedelic dose. He'll have a great chance to test 400mg quite soon.
 
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#413 Posted : 5/17/2009 8:39:48 PM

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finally got round to trying it and I'm stuck on the very first hurdle; my mix was sitting for 4 hours, no emulsion, but no separation either, maybe ~10mls limonene sitting on top of very sludgy cactus. So I made myself a coffee press from a bit of a sieve, a pen and a screw and tried to squash some solvent out of the mix, but this did nothing except mix the tiny limonene layer back in.

I was kind of sleepy, and forgot to scale up the other components to match 120g of cactus powder. This probably has something to do with it. I'm about to add another 20% of everything else to the sludge, mix it and leave it overnight - in the meantime, has anyone else experienced this / got any tips? I don't want to add any more water...
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#414 Posted : 5/17/2009 9:28:55 PM

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Is the mescaline acetate okay to store at room temperature?
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#415 Posted : 5/17/2009 11:55:26 PM

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ah, I'm a fool, I can just filter through muslin or coffee filters right, squeeze the material dry and then separate the solvent layers, recombine the cactus and the base solution for the next pull..?
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#416 Posted : 5/22/2009 5:17:52 PM

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Boiling over with excitement right now. Can't wait to test this stuff out (first extraction ever!). I have never taken mescaline. Shocked Laughing Very happy Smile Laughing Laughing Very happy Shocked Shocked Wink

Thanks everyone!
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#417 Posted : 5/22/2009 6:30:38 PM

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yeah, awesome tek isn't it? got my 3% target from the first limonene pull, everything else is gravy. Still waiting till tomorrow to test drive, mescaline virgin also, cant wait, I think me and mescaline are gonna be good friends.

smells so damn tasty
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#418 Posted : 5/22/2009 9:15:54 PM

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400mg was quite strong for SWIM, but he still hasn't quite reached the LSD-like levels that he's reached with the brew. He's still left wondering whether that's simply a matter of dosage or whether heating has effected it at all.
 
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#419 Posted : 5/23/2009 1:24:02 AM

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Still waiting till tomorrow to test drive, mescaline virgin also, cant wait, I think me and mescaline are gonna be good friends.


Looks like I'm waiting til tomorrow too, the weather is not going to permit getting lost in the forest tonight, and I don't feel like staring at the walls of my apartment for 10 hours.

Our first experiences will most likely match up!! Neat-o!
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#420 Posted : 5/23/2009 7:13:57 AM

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I'm excited. I like hearing about people getting turned on to mescaline for the first time!!!!!

Please let us know how it goes!!!!!
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