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Non toxic food safe extraction of mescaline using d-limonene (orange oil) Options
 
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#381 Posted : 5/7/2009 9:33:21 PM

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Once again SWIM thanks you. SWIM is going with vinegar for his first go round. When Swim says it takes a long time to dry, how long is a long time? 24 hours? And SWIM has read that low heat 150 or so is ok, so hot bath cool, or is a fan a safer bet?
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#382 Posted : 5/9/2009 10:14:03 AM

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My friend dried for like three days and no dice, scraping and re-drying didn't work for him (He thinks it's the high humidity, it seems to re-hydrate).
But he found that drying, leaving to cool overnight without scraping, followed the next day by 30 minutes more drying, left it perfectly dessicated and ready to scrape.
It was perhaps TOO dry after this, lol. When finally scraped he lost a bit to the acetate dust flying around.
Just thought I'd throw this out there.
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#383 Posted : 5/9/2009 9:38:24 PM

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SWIM will be doing some solubility tests on mescaline acetate. So far he found it’s soluble in water and soluble in 99% IPA, and insoluble in xylene and insoluble in d-limonene.

How solubile is mescaline acetate in water?? very,or just alittle?? I had some goo left over in my evap dish that was too goopy to scrap up so i disoved it in water. after letting this sit for awhile there is some sediment that falls out to the bottom. Do you thank it is mescaline or plant material?? Just wondering thought it might be a good way to help clean it up.
 
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#384 Posted : 5/12/2009 10:26:12 PM

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SWIM's noticed that while 250mg is satisfactorily psychedelic, 200mg is just barely threshold. SWIM's going to try 300mg next time.
 
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#385 Posted : 5/13/2009 7:39:44 AM

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SWIM did as instructed mixed 100 grams of dried cactus 25 grams calcium hydroxide and water, but he only mixed for 2 or 3 min. dumbass his extract wasn't cloudy but it was green, any insight on what went wrong? He then tried using a gravy seperator to sep the vinegar and that shit was impossible. the vinegar was clear that he got out not sure if thats right either. any insight please
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#386 Posted : 5/13/2009 7:44:47 AM

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it's best to leave the mix to sit for 3-4 hours. so if you leave it for a bit then carry on everything should be fine.

SWIM's turned green aswell. If you leave the limonene to sit for a few hours after you decant it off, before adding the vinegar you should see some cactus matter sitting at the bottom of the container. I think this is what causes the green colour to form. It should'nt mess things up I doubt.

Vinegar should be slightly cloudy I think.
 
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#387 Posted : 5/13/2009 7:57:09 AM

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no cloudyness just green d-limonene and clear vinegar he's trying to dry that out to see what happens and put more d-limonene in and is letting that sit overnite someone can PM swim if that want I could use some help and I could explain what swim did further
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#388 Posted : 5/13/2009 11:15:40 PM

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Any one with a good vendor for quality bridgesii or such PM SWIM, SWIM had a so so pull from a recent buy.
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#389 Posted : 5/14/2009 1:48:56 AM

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best bet is to just get some cutting live and grow some and extract the others... BBB has some of the best deals...
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#390 Posted : 5/14/2009 7:32:08 PM

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SWIM is a little disappointed, def a failed experiment. Not sure what went wrong but def something did. Too many variables to figure it out. SWIM is going to dry fresh succulent and grind then put into capsules next time and see if his supplier is good or not. Wish SWIM knew where things went wrong.
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#391 Posted : 5/14/2009 9:53:47 PM

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So my friend told me the following story...

I have done two pulls with two different San Pedro powder's from two different sources(Heavenly products and compras peru) and both times the yield was only 500mgs. Is this a normal yield? SWIM ingested 300mg of his compras extract at it was only a mild experience, but definitely active. This seems like a LOT of work to just produce about a dose of the acetate. SWIM attributes his lower then expected yields to the fact that he did not have an efficient way to squeeze out all the limonene from the powder mix, but even then that would at most produce about 100ml of limonene(based off how much i had and how much i used.) which would not be holding much more of the desired product, so there must be something else( bad batches, or low grade powder?). If any posters have any recommendations to increase the yield it will be greatly appreciated.
 
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#392 Posted : 5/15/2009 12:51:02 AM

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Did the powder stop yielding after only one pull? My buddy got only 15 mls of his limonene back out, so he simply added enough limonene so that he could get the desired 300 mls back (Evevntually added a whole 900 mls to get back 300 btw). My friend found that his later pulls, with a sufficient amount of limonene to work with worked very nicely, yielding almost 1000mg after the fourth cactus pull, (maybe the 20th vinegar pull) and still going. More work, but well worth it!
Tell your pal to try putting the used Limonene back in the cactus mix and repeat. Also add enough fresh Limonene so that you can get at least 200mls or so back out for the vinegar pulls.

My friend and I just woke from a Psychedelic Marathon over 36 hours and about 400mg of Mesc each. 'Twas a wild ride.

We tried coffee to potentiate the effects, which worked a little too well at one point, lol, we freaked out a bit, I pulled a muscle, and ran around saying 'What's in my leg?' repeatedly. Yeah, def avoid large cup of coffee + huge sticky joint + peak of trip. Whoa!
Fresh Ginger and Peppermint tea was found to be very calming to the mind and stomach when things started to get heavy.
A truly amazing experience though.
We found none of the peakiness or headwarping present in shroom trips, a welcome change.
Not the most potent psychedelic visions, but what we saw was powerfully ancient, the experience was natural, and meaningfull, and somehow 'right'. As opposed to a shroom trip which usually feels a little forced and artificial to us.

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#393 Posted : 5/15/2009 1:37:03 AM

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I just want to thank 69Ron again for this brilliantly innovative tek.
My buddy's results;

70gm Dried T.Pach outer skins yielded over 900mg mixed alkaloids.

Two thumbs up! Way up!
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#394 Posted : 5/15/2009 1:56:55 AM

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Could SWIM use a stainless steel turkey baster?? He couldn't find a glass one or a glass gravy separator.
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#395 Posted : 5/15/2009 2:40:08 AM

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970Codfert wrote:
Could SWIM use a stainless steel turkey baster?? He couldn't find a glass one or a glass gravy separator.


As long as it's all SS, it's O.K.
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#396 Posted : 5/15/2009 3:55:59 AM

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#397 Posted : 5/15/2009 6:21:33 AM

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All of the vinegar from 3 pulls were evaporated in the same dish at the same time so my friend does know if it stopped yielding after the first pull.
 
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#398 Posted : 5/15/2009 7:42:08 AM

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Psychonaut1613 wrote:
So my friend told me the following story...

I have done two pulls with two different San Pedro powder's from two different sources(Heavenly products and compras peru) and both times the yield was only 500mgs. Is this a normal yield? SWIM ingested 300mg of his compras extract at it was only a mild experience, but definitely active. This seems like a LOT of work to just produce about a dose of the acetate. SWIM attributes his lower then expected yields to the fact that he did not have an efficient way to squeeze out all the limonene from the powder mix, but even then that would at most produce about 100ml of limonene(based off how much i had and how much i used.) which would not be holding much more of the desired product, so there must be something else( bad batches, or low grade powder?). If any posters have any recommendations to increase the yield it will be greatly appreciated.



SWIM has had less than good yields from Heavenly..and the material is barely active..
it's a sound
 
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#399 Posted : 5/15/2009 2:27:14 PM

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Psychonaut1613 wrote:
All of the vinegar from 3 pulls were evaporated in the same dish at the same time so my friend does know if it stopped yielding after the first pull.


I'm no expert, but it sounds like your friend should continue doing pulls. My buddy's pulls got better after the first few.
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#400 Posted : 5/15/2009 2:52:59 PM

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SWIM used a metal spoon to mix the calcium, which the calcium he used was kalkwasser who knows if that was some old shit too. Going with Mrs. Wages next time. SWIM also just skinned a T. Bridgesii and WOW a thousand times easier to work with than Panachoi and way more dark green skin. SWIM is still gonna just dry out and put into capsules. Oh yea absolutely NO HEAT to dry it out an open rack and a good fan does better than anything. Heat seems to reduce potency.
Waterfall, nothing can harm me at all, my worries seem so very small with my waterfall...Jimi
 
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