yeah some strains have higher ammounts of other cannabinoids along with THC that down regulate the psychedelic effects of the THC..those strains I think are more relaxing..certain cannaboids are anti psychotic..so they help for some people becasue the psychedelic effects of the THC are what cause paranoia for some..

Solid sativa strains usually have a higher ratio of THC, where solid indica strains have more CBD or CDN(one of them anyway) to balance the THC..

Most strains are hybrids these days..but I bet that the cannabis from india, aphganistan, nepal etc origionally was more relaxing and sedating, with some psychedelic qualities..and the origional stuff from africa was sativa and more energizing and very psychedelic..

There is also cannabis ruderalis, from europe..but I dont know much about that srain other than it's very good for growing n colder climates..but it was used is europe so it must have some activity..think it grows alot in Russia.

The trick is to get an amount as large as possible, as fast as possible in your bloodstream.

When you eat it, the THC get's concerted into a more psychedelic cannabinoid.

A small piece of fatty food that is easily digested (pancake, cupcake,etc), loaded with the stuff on an empty stomach has incredible results.

This way it also has an incredible synergy with LSD.
I find that MAOI's also have a subtle effect. Making it a more deeply psychological trip.

I haven't tried any synthetic cannabinoid yet, but since some compounds are capable of causing very strong effects in amounts as small as 2mg, i think these substances could be very interesting and very powefull psychedelics: it would be possible to get very large doses very quickly within the bloodstream, wich is something like free-base DMT compared to DMT salts.
Imagine one gram of super potent weed, inhaled within one or two tokes.

It's probably possible to get a simmilar 'flash' when it would hit.

fractal, where are you pulling this info from? id love to look more into...am interested in how it works for anything from research chemicals to the food we eat daily...when looked at broadly each has its own unique special properties. but then there are species within that, and so many variables within it, one can spend so much time just researching one aspect of one substance their entire life and still never be finished..so any sites/research etc. is much appreciated

poly, i can't imagine what it'd be like to take such a high dose. you can probably try to do something like creating a super potent hash oil, and then enhancing some herb with it and smoking that(very basic, if you want to get technical, im sure everyone here would be interested). the point of this would be to not smoke until you can't move, but to have a moreso breakthrough experience.

When I grew my own, I had tons of the stuff to play about with. I used to eat it after cooking it in some butter or olive oil until it went brown. Trust me, that was psychedelic in ways I never get with anything else. I saw colour, heard sounds, and was able to perceive in some trully amazing ways. Certainly nothing casual about it.

Throw in a little rosemary and mushrooms and you got yourself a stir fry ^^

Swims first couple of experiences with JWH-018 were very reminiscent of his first few times stoned, it was psychadelic, thought scrambling and induced some pretty bad paranoia. Doses were 1-2mg to begin and moved up to 5mg, swim is a constant toker.

Similarly small doses turned a group of swims friends (all experienced with the herb but not so steady smokers) into a mess. Experiences varied from person to person but included hallucinations, disassociation, manic laughter, loss of coordination, confusion, panic attacks, trance... there were also all the more traditional and enjoyable affects of cb receptor agonists, but at the peak six out of six of swims mates were too high.

This taught swim a good lesson about tolerance/dose and not letting your friends take as much as you just because they think they're tough. He also learnt that being host to people freaking out is not fun.

Just a little warning and some info I thought you might be interested in.

haha - that last post reminded me about my first few encounters with bho made with south african local strains such as swazi - thc-a bearing - oh so different - deffinately a bad idea to give it to non regular smokers.
The same amount i really enjoy caused 1 person to run around, clasping their chest, panicking, stating that they need to be hospitalized - hard to be of any help when ur rolling around on the floor laughing.

For a few reasons, I stopped smoking weed. The first being the fact that he just used to smoke it for the hell of it with no real benefit at all.....kinda like smoking cigarettes. Sure i used to get stoned and relaxed, but i can relax without it. The other reason is because work had introduced random drug testing, and although i hate the fascists bastards for this, it’s not worth losing my job over.
Anyhow, after many years of MJ use, ingestion is a method i never got round to. I have never experienced psychedelic effects from smoking, but reading this thread has kinda sparked an intrest in this.
I would be defo interested to give this a go.
Can someone please give a bit more information about the procedure and how this is done. I know you have to heat the bud in butter or oil or something, but what sort of quantities (butter and weed) are needed per person etc

One gram of weed, if it's of reasonable quality, will get one person tripping.

The optimal amount of cake it's spread in is about the size of a cupcake for one person.

So it depends how many portions you want to make.
You have to mix crumbled weed or hash through the dough. As finely crumbled as possible. The cannabinoids will be absorbed by the fat, in the oven.

If you eat it on an empty stomach, especially when you haven't smoked weed for a while, this will be very, very pleasant and it will definately be psychedelic as well.

It's best to do it at the end of the day, because this is the ultimate sleep aid as well.

Don't drink alcohol with it.

I must warn you that some people cannot take this much cannabis and they will just puke it all out, but this is a minority of the population and if you have weed of good quality and if you have realy tiny crumbs of it and it mixed well with the dough, the chance of it is even smaller.

Thanks man.
So its not necessary to firstly extract the thc into butter/oil or whatnot?

I like to heat up some olive oil(not burn it though) and throw in my ground up powdered cannabis and let it extract for a bit and then filter out the cannabis and I have green cannabis infused olive oil..the same can be done with butter. But DO NOT burn it, olive oil for one thing burns and changes composition but if you see stuff evaporating thanyou are probabily evapping away some THC as well.

Then I put it into a container and freeze it. I use it for all kinds of things, I cook with it and I love to make bhang tea with it. 1 table spoon of the oil or butter in a cup with chai tea, honey and cocnut milk is good. I love it.

Some people might not like the olive oil in the tea but I dont mind it. Traditional indian recipies use infused butter or milk but I dont eat either of them.

Many people are under the impression "if youre gonna cook with it, you HAVE to make cannabutter."...no. It's nice becuase you can use it whenever pretty easily, maybe the cannabinoids will be absorbed better, who knows. Does it really matter when you're eating the whole thing anyway?

Also, haven't tried this but heard it from someone who makes edibles pretty often, that throwing in an equal amount of cinnamon:cannabis, will mask the taste of the cannabis, and you won't taste the cinnamon. I rather enjoy the taste, but in small quantities. After so much it gets a bit...overpowering? IMO easiest way to dose it with muffins/cookies.

Recommendation: go to the store, and buy aunt jemimas brownie cookies (half brownie half cookies) and throw THAT into a muffin tin with some cannabis. its an orgy in your mouth. seriously.

fractal, that tea sounds awesome.

I had a full blown psychedelic trip from cannabis yesterday morning..and I had to work!

I was at my friends house, who I also work with pressure washing..and one of my other good freinds is his roommate as well and they all smoke before work every day and I decided i would smoke that day too..so I smoked half a joint with them..then a bowl about 15 minutes later..I was just taking light hits and was nice and comfortable..then I took one last huge hit right before we got into his truck to go..and I held it and held it.. ..and holy shit!

I figured out that it's hits like that that really do it if you dont smoke every day(I smoked 2 other days this week so you dont need more than a few days in between to get full effects). I was caughing and caughing and it hit me so dman hard while sitting in the truck..he was beat boxing and it sounded so smooth and chill I thought he had headphones inhis jacket becasue he has no radio is the truck..

I asked him if he was wearing headphones and he stopped beatboxing and said "no"..I got paranoid and amazed at the same time, thinking I had hallucinated the music all together until he started again and i realized it was him all along!...I felt like i was stuck in a giant thought bubble for about 2 hours, and had geometric hallucinations when I looked at things..but I was still in controll..like a part of me was in the moment but I jsut didnt feel that way..I also was experiencing very powerful vibrational tremors throughout my whole body..some people say cannabis is a lower vibrational psychedelic, but I disagree 100%..my whole whole body was vibrating with energy and I swear it recalibrated something inside of me..

We got to the clients house and I was just tripping balls..went inside and had coffe with him quickly(we did work for him before and he is chill and smokes pot and eats mushrooms etc)..I just sat there tripping and the coffee make it even better!..

I started up the pressure washer and was hallucinating off of the sounds for the next hour while I was working it was great!

The guy came out after a bit with a joint to smoke with us but I was still too high to want to smoke any more and really dont like tripping out like that when I have work to do but it was fun to be tripping at work for a day!

Cannabis is damn amazing...the thought patturns that are provoked are very deep and the auditory and perceptual hallucinations are extraordinarily convinving..it really is a VERY strong and powerful psychedelic when used every other day or so.

Cannabis is indeed psychedelic to me. Actually, it is psychedelic every time. All the time. Not necessarily including hallucinations or visions, but the psychedelic thought structure is there. I can't smoke Cannabis in social settings without a social lubricant like Alcohol or similar, it gets too psychedelic and often spiritual for that. I have also had full-blown trips from Cannabis alone.

One time I was sitting in the dark at a beach a quite deserted place, I lit a joint with some good hash, and half-way through it I saw amazing colourful patterns in the sky, moving and transforming all the time. The sound of the waves going against the rocks soon made wonderful music, and the patterns started dancing to the beat of this. The wind in my hair felt like a thousand hands going through it. Do I have to mention I had an extremely good time?

It is for me not understandable that people can smoke Cannabis again and again without even a hint of psychedelic thoughts or visions. Well, we are all different, let's be grateful for that.

On sounds, thoughts and physical vibrations, cannabis can have totally overwhelming effects on me too, that in these fields totally surpass the effects of LSD.
Visually, LSD is superiour to cannabis though.
When it hit's you hard, the effects are totally astounding and at that time you also fully realize what a waste it is to be a habitual smoker.

Haha these stories are giving me pangs of nostalgia! Dreamer told me how he used to watch the different parts of the music he would be listening to separate and flow in patterns across his eyelids. Sure, the visuals are dark and almost in the mind's eye, but they are there. Mentally, it is definitely psychedelic.

CANNABUTTER! CANNABUTTER! CANNABUTTER Yes, I'm one of those nutcases who will always advocate cannabutter. Yes, olive oil works fine and is great for actual meals where the oil adds more to flavor/texture of cooking than butter does (mmmmmmm cannabis infused Basil and olive oil chicken) and hey, you can make cannabis infused olive oil easy too, but butter goes on or in everything. I just made a batch of brownies from my male plant (got 1.5 oz of dried material from him) used 1.5 pounds of butter and used 1/4 of it for the brownies and whooooooo buddy, i put all my roommates on their asses. One of them didn't think it was working 45 minutes in, so i gave him another one (he smokes infrequently now but is a daily toker at heart) and watched him be stoned for the next 6-8 hours at a level that was incredibly amusing.

Cooking with cannabis is an art form that is oft overlooked. There's actually a great video online somewhere, i think it's a torrent, called "Cooking with Cannabis" that not only goes through cannbutter/olive oil, but then walks you through a bunch of full 3 and 4 course meals where everything you eat will get you stoned. It's really only viable if you've got tons of cash, or a nice little garden stowed away somewhere...

I still find edibles to be psychedelic on their own. Adding anything to the mix (a mushroom or two, MAOIs, a little smoked mj) always pushes it into the realm of unquestionably psychedelic.

I put about an eighth in a little yoghurt and just munched it down. Was extremely smashed as i was already relatively drunk but didn't trip. Which is annoying becasue i love the idea of tripping off weed . Closest i came was smoking 1.5 gram blunt, but it wasn't nice really...

Dont smoke weed anymore anyway. Just ruined my work ethic completley. I have it every now and again but used to do it far far too much. But i will definetly try it orally again at some point Good thread!

you did not trip because you cannot simply put it in yogurt and expect it to work..it HAS to be heated up in something fatty, like butter, olive oil etc..yogurt may do it but not unless it is heated up to convert it to the proper chemical..but not so hot that the cannabinoids actaully vaporise off..

Aha i see, Great fast response thanks alot mate . Well it definetly did do something so not all was lost but i do regret not heating it now hehe. Will definetly try this soon me thinks.