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ianfleming
#21 Posted : 7/28/2013 7:41:24 PM
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I tried a 10x or 20x extract with my mother when I was maybe 15 or so. However at the time I was not at all familiar with smoking and even though I had fasted and meditated all day (as was her ritual) I was not able to smoke it properly out of her tiny bowl as the smoke was VERY hot.

I did however trip sit her (this was my first drug experience BTW) and I was a little scared because she layed down and then just sort of giggled for a moment and then went silent for a few minutes.
 

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#22 Posted : 7/29/2013 5:37:34 PM

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ianfleming wrote:
I tried a 10x or 20x extract with my mother when I was maybe 15 or so. However at the time I was not at all familiar with smoking and even though I had fasted and meditated all day (as was her ritual) I was not able to smoke it properly out of her tiny bowl as the smoke was VERY hot.

I did however trip sit her (this was my first drug experience BTW) and I was a little scared because she layed down and then just sort of giggled for a moment and then went silent for a few minutes.


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#23 Posted : 7/31/2013 8:01:57 PM
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"I was somewhere else entirely. I hardly remember what I saw or experienced, but the clearest thing in my mind (although the memory may have been altered during sober thought) is something akin to becoming the thoughts I was thinking, as if I was the thought of the thought of my thought of the thought etc. Writing this now, I can say that it had a very fractal-like formation (didn’t know about fractals before), whatever I was seeing. I found myself regaining somewhat normal consciousness face down on my carpet in a different part of my room. I guess I walked over there and either fell or, more likely, lied down on my belly. My arms were outstretched in front of me, and I remember clawing at the carpet as if to pull myself out of something. The whole room was spinning much like it would after you spin around and stop abruptly, but it was vertical, not horizontal. But that’s not quite accurate. Imagine looking at a 3D wheel so you see the narrow, outer side. It is segmented and each segment contains copies of your room. As I lay there, this wheel was spinning and “layering” my physical body back into this reality. This may not have been the actual experience, but it is to the best of my memory."


Hi i'm a new user here and after reading this, I had to join to post, that I saw the same thing. I was with my buddy last month and he never tried salvia. We purchased some 60x purple sticky salvia from a local shop. I had experience with it 5 years ago where I broke through and saw the spinning wheels and zippers. Now that I am older ( 26 ) I wanted to learn more about those zippers and my friend wanted to try it. So we went out to a remote field where it was peaceful and all you could hear is birds chirping In the sunlight.

Anyways I took the first hit, I loaded up a small bowl because I haven't had it for a long time and I didn't want to break through right away. So my small bowl gave me the gravity feeling of turning left I think. So I realized I needed more. I took more and I came closer and closer to breaking through. Then I gave some to my friend but unfortunately he didn't really break through, so I will just talk about my trip.

There was another layer that was stacked on top of the reality layer. And depending on my dosage, I could SEE that layer more clearly. I also closed my eyes and realized that I could see this layer more clearly with my eyes closed! That was one very important discovery as it allowed me to see what this rotating wheel was. Keep in mind that I closed my eyes during inhaling when I was still sober.. i'm not sure if I ever opened them during the trip, but I found it easier to break through with eyes closed in the start.

Well after taking more hits because the salvia layer was fading away, I realized I was seeing the same damn wheel and was coming to the same damn spot in my other salvia reality. How weird is that... always the same place I visit? Anyways you said you were being layered into reality... I realized this too.. The rotating wheel was spinning and printing realities as it goes... it's crazy because the zipper is actually part of the rotating wheel.. when you see the zipper, you probably haven't had enough of the dosage to see the wheel... and most people don't see the wheel clearly... I saw it so clearly I couldn't believe it.. thanks to my eyes closed... I felt like the wheel means we are a hologram

The spinning wheel is the non-physical projector that projects what you see. Or that's what it felt like. I also saw multiple projectors with millions of different faces on them, probably each human that ever lived. It was spinning and spinning showing me different faces from all colours of life for some reason. I then wanted to find my face so subliminally, it started to go through millions of faces like a computer program and woooshhh it arrived on mine... then I felt a sense of accomplishment like somebody who is in the salvia world is watching me and realized that I broke through and could control it. They were bowing down to me.. but this person was huge.. when it bowed down, in my mind the being was as big as a few skyscrapers and as it bowed down, it went through all the faces of the world, and came to an end to me... it felt like I found the secret or something like that... I then tried to enter one of the printing wheels to see if I can alter reality... I managed to get in one scene, where some woman was talking to me... and I could hear he voice.. I was some gentleman having coffee with her.. she had blue eyes, brown hair.. seemed familiar, but yet, I don't know her.. That REALLY tripped me out.. I didn't know where my physical body was, AND WHO WAS talking to this woman?? who ?? was this some past memory of mine? or was I obe?

I found some kind of stream of consciousness, where all living things swim through the ether. I followed the stream and was able to hear different people's voices and thoughts and current visions... it was really insane... I totally broke through.. the wheel is the reality printer.. or hologram machine.. the thoughts that enter your brain come from the stream of consciousness ether. I wish I could describe it in more detail as this is a month later and I honestly fergot the real hard details and feelings I had.. if it was like 20 min after, this would sound a lot better but trust me my friends, I broke through and although salvia is a scary drug, it showed me something that I will remember forever.

I also want to add after many weeks of being sober and trying to recollect memories... There were many spinning wheels. At one point, it felt like some kind of amusement park ferris wheel like life was a joke and every person was on this ferris wheel and basically for some reason, everybody on the ferris wheel was screaming and had a really strange face on. Like they were panicking. While the wheel was spinning, and faces were passing by my awareness, they were shouting things like " we are doomed, life is an illussion!! " " omg this is fucking crazy " " there is no god " These people's faces were so clear, that reality was not as clear....... they were shouting things that people on SALVIA WOULD SHOUT after breaking through... Perhaps, I was seeing people on salvia breaking through at the same time, and we were entering the same universal gate of consciousness. We were all strapped on these rolling ferris wheels that I could see from a birds eye view. There were hundreds of people, if not millions. And every one of them had a really strange face, some laughing hysterically, some panicking, some saying 'breakthrough' things. I completely fergot about this part of my experience.

It is weird, because in other states of my trip, there was other wheels that have different meanings to them. A big bird's eye view showed me that the rollers spelled out " happy birthday " or something like that. From very far high up looking down at thousands of rollers...

It gave me a sense of death and birth at the same time... I was in the place where you are dead but not born again. But kind of waiting to be reborn. I actually thought I was dead and began asking "when did I die?? " as I saw rolling wheels of scenes where my mother and father and friends mourned my body... I was scared shitless at this point and was convinced I was dead and was stuck in this outside time reality. While I watch the rollers spell happy birthday from the distance and fireworks going off with sounds. Life was like a repeat cycle that never ends and is a joke to some big higher up consciousness. I realized that salvia feeling had me feeling trapped, even though I was outside of time, I was still trapped and felt a bigger consciousness controlling this never ending cycle. It is like a game to them, or a movie where they can watch whatever they want. They will control which next body you will enter after you die and you will be basically wrapped into that scene in the ferris wheel, while it turns and as the ferris wheel contacts the flat surface, your reality is printed and thus you become the baby. After seeing this event so clearly on salvia, I actually think I remember this event as a baby.
 
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#24 Posted : 8/7/2013 10:39:52 AM

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Interesting reports, I dont recall most of my trips now time has passed but I do remember one where I was on a wheel of conciousness and I think I was the colour orange, orange and yellow seem to have been dominant colours in all my trips.
I also seem to go back to the same place and feel the same prescences. Maybe we are travelling through our own brains.
The details are at the back.of my mind like a distant landscape. I think I'll get some salvia again soon its an incredibly interesting experience and weird beyond words.
 
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#25 Posted : 10/25/2013 12:19:52 PM
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I too have seen myself, or how I perceive myself, ripped, torn, unzipped and unrolled on Salvia. I'm happy--but freaked out--to know that some other people have "seen" what I "saw" and can put it in words too. I did it three times about 5 years ago. I will never work up the courage to do it again. I hold a strong conviction that I will see that trip just one more time, but I'll get stuck in the "black" and (for lack of a good word): FORGET. These tripes were the three most powerful experiences of my life. Like everyone, my memories of life fade over time. The memories of the salvia experience have been pieced together better since using, nothing fades. I've seen the "wheel", as I'm quite sure I'm IT right now, and I'm spinning out my perception of me as I type this.

Here's the thing that scares me most: The second time I used, it started and I heard (it was me saying it, I think this "me" was my ego saying goodbye): "Here we go again...(and then a feeling of a "sigh"Pleased. The third time: "really? you did it AGAIN...okay.." I've gotten older versions of me "stuck" in time, I think it's the way life plays out, but it's not fun to experience. We like to think of ourselves as being in control of ourselves. It's not the case, we are in control, but what "I" am, is truly a different person every second of the day. My point:

What salvia reveals makes sense. Scientifically, there is empirical evidence that I REALLY am a different person now than I was when I started typing this. What I am is the product of each side of my brain talking/arguing. Every second, the universe changes, and with that change comes sensory information. As I perceive it, it is added to everything I know now, while my other memories may leave forever. My brain creates a new synapse, my consciousness is a product of the workings of an ever changing PHYSICAL machine--the brain. I have to change, you do too, you can't stop thinking, you can't NOT change. We have to dream, think and experience; we have to keep the "wheel" spinning. This is how the consciousness is created. The transition from one me to the next me, is what I experience as the passing of time. Without salvia, it's a pretty smooth transition, it has to be because I evolved into a creature that can perceive the world in a way that affords me the capability of surviving. If time broke down, and I lost my ego, I'd stop moving in this perception of reality and reduce my likely-hood of survival.

I'm fairly certain, that these visuals are showing us how our brain builds our perception of the universe that is around and within us. Salvia blocks out sensory information, it's as if it kills "you", which is business as usual--then it allows us to see how our brain has evolved to piece together our perceptions to form a "new you". It's not that either "world" is more or less real. It's all real. It's a different way of seeing the complexity of the human consciousness that we take for granted. Salvia shows you becoming self aware, and to maintain that ego, you can't see the production of it. That's why salvia is scary. It shows us "HOW" we really are, not "what" we really are. These physical processes that we usually don't "see" pan out--the "wheel"--is the creation of a stable, faulty state of self-awareness. It's like booting down your brain, looking at the internal specs, and watching it kick back on. How are we going to make a computer that is self-aware?...we need some scientists, engineers and programmers experimenting with salvia. Salvia flips the switch of consciousness and shows us how we've been fooling ourselves. The universe only looks like this from our eyes. There are likely infinite ways of experiencing existence, but this (life as we know it) seems like one of the only ways to ponder existence. Ultimately, I think I'm saying that Salvia causes us to see what happens when we cut off our ego and join everything in a cosmic, static and permanent state. Reality, as we know it, is the only way to "exist" as one thing among many things. At a base level, we are all just sections of one great big thing, there are no questions there nor is there anything to ask them. I don't think that thing is god, and I think once we die, we will fade into it, but we won't know we're there. There will be no: me, you, us, we or I at the end of this spectacle. I'll integrate back into the flow. In the flow, there is only everything. Within everything there is nothing. Life, even if fabricated, is a break from eternity.

I have always wondered what the universe was. The answer is simple. I am the universe. I'm a small chunk of it that forgot the other 99.9999999999 percent. I am the fabrication of the idea of "I". This idea--"I"--is the only thing that isn't eternal. The only reason the question "why?" exists is because the ego exists. The only reason the ego exists is because the question "why?" exists. To not know, there must be questions, and for questions, there must be me. Life is knowing you don't know.
 
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#26 Posted : 10/25/2013 6:07:01 PM

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Brilliant first post Smile Welcome.

I must say, I think most of us believe we won't work up the courage to do it again. But when it calls to us we do, eventually Wink
 
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