If you aren't familiar with the experiments of Dr. Emoto, there is plenty of information available from a youtube or google search.
Basically he did experiments that are supposed to show that your thoughts have physical power.

I did the rice experiment, where two identical sterilized jars are filled with cooked rice. On one you write a positive word, such as "love", and on the other you write a negative word, such as "hate".
Every day you say encouraging things to the positive jar and mean things to the negative jar, all while having your intentions fully set on the well being of the positive jar and the opposite for the negative.
I meditated daily, taking a turn with each jar. With the positive jar I would flood my mind with happy thoughts and try to raise my energy to a high frequency. With the negative jar I would have the nastiest thoughts and allow myself to reach a slow dense vibration.
Also all of my entheogenic sessions had some time spent with each jar.
This experiment has been repeated by lots of people and meditation/psychedelics are not a normal part of it but I figured it would help.
Variations have also been done such as this video
There are all sorts of other related experiments, such as thoughts changing the outcome of random number generators and earth's electromagnetic field changing after huge world events such as 9-11 that suddenly change lots of peoples' emotional states. I don't want to turn this post into a book, so research if this sounds interesting to you.

After about 2 weeks the negative jar started to have an orange hint to it.
After 3 weeks I saw the first mold. The positive jar was still white as ever.
After 5 weeks the mold had grown into what looked like an alien life form.
2 months in and there were several different types of crazy looking mold in the negative jar but the positive jar had none. It did start to turn grey though.
3 months in and the negative jar had turned into a solid mass of absolutely disgusting looking mold that I've never seen anything like. The rice in the positive jar had started to decompose into soup but still no mold or odd colors whatsoever.

I threw everything out after 3 months.
This is of course not conclusive evidence that my thoughts did this, but it is very interesting to me and it seems quite unlikely that the negative jar would mold so fast while the positive jar outlasted anything to be expected of rice.

I personally feel like my thoughts influence things physically. My theory is that your thoughts are being broadcasted as brain waves which could be thought of as similar to wifi or cellphone signals. There is quite a bit of evidence to suggest that those have an effect on things.

I am interested in thinking up an experiment that involves doing some kind of extraction and trying to take advantage of positive thoughts or music or some other kind of vibration.
One of the other well known experiments involves freezing water in a jar that has a certain word written on it. Words such as "happy" tended to form beautiful crystal patterns under a microscope while negative words tended to look chaotic and unstructured.
How might doing something similar affect a freeze precipitation?
Or could meditation during extraction increase yield or potency?

What do you all think? Feel free to disagree, I'm sure some of you will.
I encourage you all to try some sort of experiment involving thought and post back the results.
Just keep in mind that if you don't think it will work it probably won't. I assume that believing in it is the key similar to the placebo effect.
"those who don't believe in magic will never find it"

just sounds like the negative jar got contaminated.
I had about a 95% success rate, using aseptic techniques, and I was very negative, cussed a lot.

flip a coin...pray to jesus, or Joe Pesci. You'll likely have the same chances of your prayers being answered.

definitely could have been something that got in the negative jar to contaminate it.
But I've looked around the internet a little and haven't seen a case of someone doing this and not getting the same results. I'm sure it has failed for people, but it must be a majority getting good results if I can't find anyone who failed.

One main thing to know is that it works in the same way a placebo works (assuming it does work).
Getting mad or having a negative mind state while disinfecting something shouldn't have an effect on it unless that was your intention.

That or the people whefe it failed stopped caring at that point so they didnt post about it not working. Humans have a tendency to rant and rave about something working and put little energy into something failing. Also the saying no evidence of something being false does not make it true.

That was also taken into consideration.
It's like when looking at feedback from people online about a product, people are more likely to leave something if their product was messed up than if nothing went wrong and it was what they expected. So the feedback is a bit biased.
But you should be certain to see both good and bad feedback in any case. But with this experiment I haven't seen anyone debunk it.

I think if you did this with 300 jars - 100 being positive, 100 being negative, and 100 being a control group that you do nothing to - you could really determine something.
If ~90% of the negative jars grew mold while the positive ones were still looking fresh I'd be sold.
But I'm too lazy to try that

Why would mold be associated with negative tboughts? Mold is very important for decomposition. If the jar sprang to life with fungi or mold I would see that as a positive outcome. I think it makes more sense that the jar without mold would be associated with negativity. Are we labelling mold as bad or evil?

I would have to disagree. Every association I have with mold in my brain is negative, even though I know it is important.
It looks disgusting. And I associate it with being dead or no longer useful.
Having a bowl of rice sitting around is fine, but if that rice has mold on it I'm going to be like "ew this needs to go... far far away"

Relevant: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...amp;m=114727#post114727

This has been discussed a lot on the Nexus, and the consensus from the more senior members seems to be, at least from what I was just looking during my search, that it's bunk science.

The movie that arguably popularized Emoto's jars, What the Bleep Do We Know?, undoubtedly changed my life. As a young child I actually said prayers to protect the homeless people, veterans, and so forth every night before I went to sleep. Then I saw that movie and I had this grand revelation, even as a youngster, that religion is more or less a sham. I lived in a home where this view was tolerated (we were watching that movie after all), and this led to stone-cold atheism.

But as I grew and learned, I found the film to be really weird. It makes claims that aren't really falsifiable ("when you aren't looking at a basketball court, there are hundreds of basketballs there bouncing by themselves!!!" ), and in general it's just not good science. As much as I want to believe Emoto's claims, and as much as I want them to make sense, there are just too many flaws for me to trust them.

Is it an interesting area of research? Sure. But it was always too subjective for me. What counts as a "positive" thought versus a "negative" one? Why is mold inherently bad? People also tend to selectively post results as stated above, as well as not have equally prepared jars. You are supposed to use a control jar of rice as well.

I wish controlling the world with our thoughts was really this easy. For those who believe in the Law of Attraction, I wish all we had to do to receive stuff was think positively about it. What is feasible is controlling your perception of the world around you rather than trying to rearrange atoms with your mind.

And funny side note - the movie The Secret was all about the Law of Attraction, and it changed my life when I was younger by making me much more optimistic. But then some years later I watched it on LSD and realized in my clear state of mind that it was something of a hoax, the people in the video were smirking thinking, "Yeah here ya go, we already have your money, hippy."

I'm not much into the film.
I think once you start taking these experiments and the law of attraction too literally you just get into hocus pocus nonsense. You aren't going to get rich just because you are thinking about money.
But I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that when I wake up, if I think "today is going to be awesome. nothing is going to get me down" it will have a significant difference from if I said "oh here goes another crappy day where I will do the same old thing"
You are more likely to find what you seek. Confidence in what you are doing can make you much more successful.

The law of attraction doesn't claim that all you have to do to get something is to think positively about it. It just means that thinking positively about something can shift your odds.

Also it looks like what some people are misunderstanding about the rice experiment is that mold doesn't grow because it is "bad". That would mean there is some actual universal way of saying if something is good or not. It supposedly happens because that is what your intentions are.

With the rice experiment I'm iffy on if there is any real significance. But the law of attraction is something I live by. I think it is more a fact of common sense until you start taking it too literally.

practice aseptic techniques.

mold is neither good nor bad, it's just different.

Milk+mold=marvelous cheese

Ok I will try to stress it one more time then I give up.
Mold is what you make it. The experiment has nothing to do with it being a good or bad thing. It has to do with what you think of it as.

I disagree respectively. Mold is mold, it is life. Doesnt matter what you think of it.

I dont think it matters what YOU feel mold is. To me that makes no sense. If this experiment were a true mechanism of life then i would think projecting love into a jar of rice would spring up life of any kind.

Dont know if its true but there was an experiment done with microwaved water and plants. The water from the microwave killed the plant or it didnt grow as well iirc. This is the model of understanding that makes more sense to me.

Assuming the experiment is real, you should be able to make mold grow from the positive jar and have the negative one do nothing if those are your intentions. Focus on the idea that mold is life and a good thing. I feel like everyone is taking it literally as "bad thoughts make mold"

I can't say that I believe this happens, but I don't find it anywhere near impossible.

Was it dr emoto that also did the love projection thing onto ice crystals? Where ice crystals formed awesome sculptures when given love and formed ugly structures when given hate?

Supposedly that one was debunked or something. I dunno but i feel like its fake personally. Who really knows tho.

Rather than the supposed mechanism working like this:

Love = no mold / Hate = mold


Perhaps what is being said is that it supposedly works more like this:

Positive energy = the manifestation of your desire / Negative energy = the manifestation of the opposite of your desire


In this case, it COULD matter what you feel the mold is - what if this all works on the basis of the practitioner's beliefs, intentions, programming etc? - Meaning that for the typical human, the 'good' outcome would be nice edible rice, while the 'bad' outcome would be 'rotten'/contaminated rice. Perhaps this isn't about what effect love has on lifeforms/organic matter, or what lifeforms are worthy of life, but more about manifestation in general - in which case, according to sources that speak of this matter, positive energy would do the trick since it is cohesive and thus powerful in creating flow and assisting manifestation of your desires while negativity works against the manifestation of desires. So here we'd be talking about somebody using love and positive thoughts to bring about what they think is 'good' and using hate and negative energy to bring about the opposite.

Now I don't believe or disbelieve any of this; nor am I trying to defend it - I heard about this years ago and haven't been interested enough to actually try it, at least as of yet - though if my understanding of these matters is on the right track, the disagreements in this issue may be arising from having different perceptions of what is supposedly going on here - love/hate effecting growth/death (and what is good/bad), vs pos/neg energy manifesting your desires or the lack/opposite of your desires. (the latter being what I'm suggesting)

Thoughts?

Lol i failed to look at it that way. I think i was stuck on my pov, being that i had not heard of the experiment so i had no bias that mold was expected to grow in the bad one.

So then i guess a better experiment would be to have someone perform it without telling them what was expected to happen.

Unless the result depends on intention. Then if the subject has none, it might not work (What would "working" even look like without intention?).

Mmm a conundrum.

Yes.

at DesykaLamgeenie -
I think you are on the same page with what I was trying to say.

I think a better experiment is the random number generator one.
With the rice one there are so many variables and ways of interpreting it.
But supposedly intentions can change the average output of a random number generating device. If this is true, it seems like a much more clear cut example.