Dear Nexians,

I hope I don't offend anyone by posting such a long and personal entry. It concerns my lack of ability to breakthrough. I have read and tried the various techniques posted on this site, which all seem smart and which I hope will eventually work for me. I'm just looking for some feedback from others who had trouble breaking through but eventually succeeded (at any point in their psychonaut careers).

Been reading obsessively about DMT for about two months now. After ordering ACRB and performing extractions and countless ayhuasca-esque brews, I've yet to have a seriously profound experience outside the realm of psychedelic experiences I've already had.

Past experiences:
3.5-5g mushroom about 5 times in my life. Mild vision changes (eg: patterns swirl in a rug, a hill breathes). Introspective feelings, feeling like you've been freshly planted in the world, and most interesting so far: body-sound synesthesia. My muscles would contract and move to the exact rhythm and melody of the music, and rubbing against my bed would produce tactile sensations which would again perfectly blend to the music. I can dance better than I've ever danced, all to songs I'm hearing for the very first time. A beautiful gift I truly appreciate.

2 blotter LSD once (less powerful than mushrooms).

Salva twice. I've been transported to new realities on this, but none have been profound or life changing, more like dreams.
Ditto to a few ketamine "k-holes".

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Smoked DMT goo (I've smoked up to 100mg) produces effects for around 5 minutes which feels like I'm blasting off, with an intense sound, and very very mild CEVs which seem to be hidden behind a dark veil. I mostly only see them for a split second after closing my eyes, to vanish again behind the veil. I've never seen anything approaching everyday streaming visual input in clarity, depth, and real-ness. The highest dose I've gone to gave me a green screen background with some slight grey structures emerging on top, like a cheap cut and paste job... hard to describe afterwards.
Note: I've tried both vaping in a cut off 2L bottle (ala https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtckVptu4I4), and rubbing the goo onto herbs and leaves and smoking in a gravity bong.

Ayahuasca seems to take me to a place similar to mushrooms. The most intense experience I've had was while listening to a song which consumed my entire conscious experience. Introspective feelings and a slight sense of time and space collapsing (Ie: I can bring back memories of past experiences and have a feeling I'm actually in that place, experiencing that reality in parallel to the one currently ongoing, feel like I can connect to friends who aren't even in the same country, etc). It made me cry with beauty after feeling like I could connect back to what I called "Source"... something akin to what Buddhists call Brahman. No visuals, no ego-loss, no break-through to a completely new reality, just a general sense of having these things close to me.

Problems I've encountered:
Ayahuasca nausea is my biggest hurdle to consuming enough to have a break through experience, I believe. Each cup swallowed requires at least half-an-hour intense concentration to avoid puking it all back up. After that half-hour to hour, when I feel safe that I've absorbed most of the goodies, the nausea lingers but it becomes more difficult to purge. If I drink more brew I can purge, but it feels like wasted brew, and so I again begin to try and hold it down for the allotted time. It seems incredibly difficult to convince myself to keep this up for more than 2 or 3 cups.

The goo I've produced and smoked is either full of contaminates (although I've done one or two re-exs and same thing), making the ratio of DMT:weight much lower than I thought, or I have a higher tolerance than normal, or something is mentally blocking me from breaking through. I usually meditate for 15-20 minutes before hand to clear my mind as best as possible and rid myself of expectations. My biggest fear is that I somehow simply lack the brain chemistry (low receptor density?) necessary for such an experience. I remember reading somewhere that ~30% of the population seem unable to have intense spiritual experiences. I'm agnostic and usually pretty rational in my way of thinking, maybe that contributes to my inability?

Again, apologies for long post-length.

what is your smoking technique?

Also, tell us your extraction technique, step-by-step. I attempted to make jungle dmt three times and it didn't work. Eventually I did cybs salt tek and cleaned the crystal twice. I still had trouble breaking through, but then I switched to a larger bong from the machine and then I dialed in my vaping technique. Then I started breaking through. Added some meditation to the mix and started getting it.

100mg is a ton, if it's clean spice. Try to make white fluffy and see what then. You can also try plugging the moai and that may cut the nausea with the aya.

No apologies necessary.
After reading your loveley post again, my sneeky suspision is that your DMT is not DMT.
If you had vapped 25 mg of white spice, I doubt there is anything you could compare it with.
After re-x (with what ?) you will only have got the same as you got the first time, pehaps a bit of DMT and some 5meo.

I am sure, You do not lack the brain chemistry to experience DMT. Try again with something you KNOW is DMT.
Vinegar and Naphtha and NaOH.
What tek did you use to get 'goo'
Regards G

Thanks for the great replies!

The ten u used was cybs salt tek. Got around 400mg from 150g bark, which I know is a very low yield but I don't think my bark is very potent. I've ordered mhrb (though with Canadian customs who knows if it will arrive...) So hopefully I can obtain some good quality spice.

Do any of you find meditation or some sort of mental clearing essential for your journeys?

hello ZeroFries,

a solid meditation practice will aid your entire existence not just your psychedelic adventures, i cant recommend it highly enough.

You are probably less than 100 feet from some right now. Honestly, sustainably harvest some from a plant, and extract yourself. With MHRB becoming either rare or less obtainable, unscruplous business pops up and sells any old bark on-line. Why would someone risk that. They know you are not going to go to the small claims court or the poli ce when you find that your goo is only pine bark. They will have spent your money by then. By the time you get bark, its 2 years old anyway.

I belive/have heard that a species of Acacia is being grown as a crop in some countries, so it is out there, but to obtain it without needing to involve anyone is in many minds the best, safest and only way to ensure true clarity. Not involving or contributing to the 'drug' trading cartels is also a great idea. MHRB is illegal in Canada I am reliably told.

So, Canada...... I Just did a search on google and there are a number of DMT bearing varieties of plant. In fact, DMT was first synthesized in 1931 by Canadian chemist Richard Helmuth Fredrick Manske (1901–1977)apparently.

My advice, for what its worth, is to obtain a small amount of dry twigs and pop them in a coffee grinder, ALL Acacias yield more in the twigs than the phyllodes (leaves), most if not all have next to none in the feather/web-like roots. They are easily killed by damaging the root system, follow a simple a/b tek with vinegar, naphtha and NaOH. If I can do it, you can. ... Identify some plants in your area but dont kill them. Once you have identified a variety maybe buy a plant from a 'native' nursary and plant it in ya back yard. Be sensible be safe. A small branch about half inch thick/2 feet long and all the twigs will contain more DMT than your needs. Be descrete.

Its NOT something you will want to do every friday after the bar with the buddies. You have seen Terrance McKenna ?

Meditation..... ummmmm what would you call meditation ? Chanting, peacefull wave sounds, or chocolate/dreaming ceremonies, Cathartic jumping, laughing, or Gurjeff nights, pretending we are planets.

Or....getting toasted with some cool friends..... stareing into the night sky huddled round a winter fire in the crispy cold clear night air. Listening to the coolest tunes on the freeway with traffic, Looking in the mirror in the morning.

I meditate more now than before I tried DMT. And much more now before I experience DMT. if that makes sense...
Good luck.

NATURAL SOURCES #
Acacia spp. (Maiden's Wattle)
Anadenanthera spp. (Yopo)
Arundo donax (Giant River Reed)
Desmanthus illinoensis (Bundle Flower)
Diplopterys cabrerana (Chagro-panga)
Mimosa tenuiflora (=hostilis)(Jurema)
Phalaris Grass (Reed Canary Grass)
Psychotria viridis
Virola spp. (Epeña)



Regards G

We have really had miraculous disappearance of nausea with ginger tea. When we drink brew, there will be a thermos with ginger tea close by. We do not like fresh ginger root, as the taste reminds us of lemon grass (which we don't like) or citronella mosquito repellent. So, what we use is ginger powder (aka: rock ginger powder) and (optional) we do add some brown cane sugar too.

For your aya brew, I would consider these as being of importance;

1> Diet - make sure the day before you are going to have your journey, to consider what you intake. Of course you must follow the MAOI diet, but consider higher vibration foods like fruits as your main source, even water fasting has by itself given way to enlightenment.
2> Body position - after ingesting the brew, I've noticed laying down rather than a sitting or meditative position relaxes my stomach and allows for the brew to do its thing better and faster. Sitting up would make my purge come on quicker, and I believe that would not allow for best absorption.
3> MJ - unlike shrooms, I try my best to keep the MJ for the end of the journey on aya, and sometimes not at all. If your brew is good, you shouldn't need it.
4> Making the brew - I never allow my brews to boil, only simmer, over long periods of time and I only use earthware pots. I also take the time and effort to 'bless' the brew and give it my intentions. If you think this this is ridiculous, I might reconsider what you think you know about the plant you're taking.
5> Music - choose the music of your choice. I personally have many shaman icaros I have downloaded over the years of shamans recorded in live ceremonies and chants, but everyone has their own musical tastes. The point of music is initially to calm the nerves and take your mind of the brew gurgling in your belly, after the purge it can help guide you through the phases of your journey. Music is not essential as sometimes the sound of nothing and/or nature can provide its own chorus, it's up to you.

Those are just some of my suggestions, enjoy your future journeys and I hope you get where you're going!

I had this same problem myself for a while. At first I thought it was my smoking technique and like you I would load up "sure fire" doses of 100mg or even higher at times so that even if I burned nearly all of what I loaded enough should have been vaporized to breakthrough. It was always disappointing though.

It really just sounds like maybe your extraction just isn't purified enough. What worked for me is following Earthwalkers a/b tek on Acacia Confusa. The real key I feel like is the mini a/b where you put your saturated naphtha into acidic water and extract it again.

It took so much brown and yellowy stuff out that otherwise would have mostly come out in the crystals. Now I don't even have to load 25mg into my gvg, and the visuals in a way look and feel cleaner than the other dmt I smoked.

I don't really know which would be better, recrystallizing in naphtha or if you just follow the steps for a mini a/b, but when I tried to re x my impure dmt I lost some product and it didn't improve it that much. Whether that was me messing it up or not I don't know but I will always run it through the water on future extractions because the difference is that dramatic.

I started using a bubbler with a dome and a glass nail for my STB acacia goo when I ran into an issue with my ROA (I get more of a wax than an oil or goo, I dunno if this is at all relevant), and the there has been a dramatic increase of experience. I have never gotten anywhere near where I wanted to be using any foil method.

Sometimes it's a bit intimidating but it's been a serious improvement IMO.

I tried that plastic bottle setup a few years ago when I first started experimenting and I personally was not a fan.

Just a small dab off the bub and I achieve amazing results. Plus it's a very smooth inhale compared to foil or sandwiching with herbs.

I hope this was helpful to you in some way

Happy Travels

-Pandamonium540

Thanks once again for all the awesome replies.

I did actually manage to obtain some MHRB! Contrary to popular belief MHRB is NOT illegal in Canada (we don't have that law which prohibits plants containing illegal alkaloids like the States does). I got 1g beige/off-white fluffy powder from 100g mimosa, so I'm pretty happy with that.

Here's the strangest things though: after smoking 50mg twice, I get the loud warping sound, the vision collapsing on itself, cloudy CEV which evolved into... a scene with me I believe lying on the ground, with regular modern people walking around me. Nothing profound, just a strange life like scene with no real meaning.

Last night I attempted again with two smaller doses. The first one felt like a short lived aya trip. The second was different, though. I lost my sense of being tied to this life (and knowledge that I was a human on a drug), and looking at life from that perspective made it seem like a joke... a big illusion. "Here I am again", I would think. I realized where I felt this before... it felt identical to salvia! Once I had this realization I could sort of live in both perspectives (out-of-life and in-life, if that makes any sense), until the in-life feeling gradually grew stronger and I was back to feeling enmeshed in this world.

I'm going to be attempting an ayahausca session with this new bark either tonight or tomorrow night, I'll let you know how it goes!

To Pandemonium: What do you mean by bubbler with a glass nail? One of those small water pipes? Do you have any images of them? Thanks for the advice!

zerofries, yes I can obtain an image

I use it for my gold wax though, xtals might prove to be more difficult to use with this method but I get some pretty strange happenings from my wax I must say

its hard to explain exactly what happens when I use my bubbler but i'll try to make it short and sweet

the initial "here we go again" feeling with the buzzing/warping noise followed by OEV+CEV

inanimate objects such as chairs have turned into snake-like beings with somewhat humanoid heads and faces, one time I was under the impression that I was in an ambulance going to the hospital and my friends and family were surrounding me (insane experience, I must say. thank the gods this was not what was really happening ) after my release from what I've come to call "metaphoric hospital" these constantly bending beings surrounded me and said something I can't recall. and then I "woke up"

obviously there was more detail to this but I like to cut to the chase.

Happy travels and here's the picture

100mg????

I wish I could give you some of my spice. -.- 100mg would be about fhe same as putting a shotgun in your mouth.

between 50-100 for me too 1ce , I wish we could share.

I dunno 'bout 100. I took 75mg of clear shards in 1 lung and that was something. Closed eyed visuals became open eyed visuals and peak effects lasted about 25 minutes. At 35 minutes I couldn't carry a conversation because I'd keep being somewhere else for extended periods of time. It was quite hard to tell what was going on.

I have done it more sense then. Having expectations of breakthrough durations isn't a great idea because it can make you a little uneasy when you believe things should be back to normal; and they definitely aren't.

I like 50-75mg myself. :3 I'll just throw a scoop in and vape until the room is gone

And yeah, it'd be pretty cool to hyperspace style hand someone a pipe ! Esp when they say they can't break through

1ce I was agreeing with the "shotgun in the mouth" expression

the "metaphoric hospital" experience I described above was an estimated 50mg and it was obviously more than I bargained for. The duration was probly around 25ish minutes and I thought I peed myself to the point where it felt like I was literally soaked from feet to shoulders lol.

Luckily I had a sitter with me so he could tell me that I didn't

After that day I've been liking around 25mgs because the vividness of the ambulance and all that rocked my world, but I definitely will increase from that sooner or later. 50+mgs was my "go to" for awhile, its only a matter of time before I work up the courage to have another ridiculous session like that.

And yeah that'd be SO awesome if it was possible to pass it through hyperspace, like a small wormhole opening next to you and a hand comes through that has a loaded pipe and a distorted voice saying "here ya go"

Haha 'cheers mate, hang onto your ass!"

Sometimes I have to remind myself that everything is ok, this is what I wanted. My first 50mg was a hell of a ride. I remember thinking I was likely in an ambulance, and how worthless that was because they couldn't help me 'here'.

It definitely takes courage to go back. Your first time doing a highdose will certainly leave an impression though

I can say with no uncertainty OP does NOT want to inhale 100mg. He'll be regretting it before he exhales o.o

I'd say don't experiment with half that amount until you're very comfortable breaking through with 25. Else you're wasting spice. Which is disrespectful to the sacrement you have the honor to use in the first place. Additionally it'll help you get your technique down. Try new things.

BELIEVE ME. I cannot stress it enough. You do not want 100mg. There is no back button. Once it's inhaled you're stuck in a world where time is a foreign concept until it lets you go. There is a joy in visitimg the deep realms of a heavy dose. But there is no joy in accidentally - your whole stash and panicking. Reality will be gone; eyes opened or closed with no idea what's happening to you.

Again, try 25-35mg. maybe purify your spice a little incase your true dosage is off. You will break through, start lower, don't get impatient. Learn to accept and integrate and love your experiences. Or they won't love you back.

Really interested in what you have mentioned about the legal status of MHRB in Canada. I also live in Canada and im planning to make my first purchase of either MHRB or ACRB some time soon but keep putting it off until i can find out weather id be breaking the law or not. So form what you said it is legal to have MHRB shipped into Canada, does the same apply for ACRB?

I've also had similar experience with normal people walking around after i've smoked. I done some the other day, i didn't breakthrough and was still aware of my surrounding, the visuals were great and every time a though popped in to my mind someone would answer me as the walked across my room and out my door. I was kinda fun and seemed like one of them was a girl and the other was a guy. That was pretty much the end of my stash so now i'm keen to attempt my first extraction.

Most vendors that offer entheogens and particular 'botanicals' and seeds are rediculously discrete.