When I first came here I was blown away by how much info we have about Acacias here but it's scattered all over the place. A lot of the threads have been side tracked too, so it can take a while to find what you are after if you don't use the correct terms when searching.

I was thinking more of a botanical resource than an open discussion format, although that would have it's place too. I see that nen888 is planning a PDF to condense some of the info to make it more accessible and condense it into a resource of accurate relevant info. Why not do it in a forum here and present it in well structured easily searchable format ?

If the posts had to be submitted for pier review before approval we'd have a resource of great value with minimal irrelevant banter.

I'm not trying to load nen with work that he possibly doesn't have time for, but I suggest he'd be the prime candidate to be a mod for that forum. He could filter the submissions and in his own time organise and co-ordinate the structure of that forum.

In my opinion, it would be easier to navigate the info here - and there is a huge amount of Acacia info here already just waiting to be neatly organized; other than Cannabis, the genus Acacia seems the logical next step in subforums; it's a sustainable resource about which we have loads of info that needs sorted.

For those who ask: "where does this end", I propose to pause after Cannabis and Acacia in order to prepare for Phalaris.

lol. I think there is a trend coming. Sub forum all the ideas!

I think as we progress more with the organization of the forum we will find more and more topics that more or less need a clean place for them to go. I think this is healthy progression. We will hit some bumps along the way but in the end it will be good.

Acacia def gets my vote for another topic that needs an area somewhere. It won't need an extensive branch of subs as extraction is basically the same, but other areas are unique to that wonderful species.

It doesn't really make sense for there to be an Acacia subforum.

If someone wants to put all the info on various species into appropriate thread(s), it would seem that it would make more sense for someone to take the initiative to make a compiled reference thread(s) in the Collaborative Research Project subforum. That's precisely why it was created.

Someone just needs to take the initiative and make it happen

Snozz makes a good point. I don't think we need one either really. Think about it, we never did for mimosa... Like mimosa, acacias are another one of the DMT containing plants with a lot of focus on it...and growing, extracting, experiences, brewing, vaping, drinking, history, etc...so I don't see a good reason for confining all the info on it to one little subforum, since after all, DMT is the primary focus of this site. So why confine it to a tiny space when more bigger-picture categories/subforums already provide a perfect platform for discussion involving it? I'm open to other opinions though. And we could always use more guide/reference/index threads on it and an improved wiki as well, which would help a lot with navigation.

This is quite a different thing than the cannabis subforum idea (which I do support)

Yeah I see your point, it was just a whim really.

Mimosa and Acacia are a bit different though, Mimosa is just one plant where Acacias are a genus with something like 1000 different species and a myriad of sub species.

I just get sick of trawling endless dead ends when I'm looking for something I remember reading here in the past, so I thought it would simplify finding information.

I agree with this I have similiar experiences with it when researching, stuff scattered! Also as you say mimosa hostillis is one plant it's completely different from acacias which have many different kinds, good idea I'd like a sub forum!

.. Hieronymous if a botanical resource/database were to be created, do you have any suggestions on how it could be structured?.. As you mentioned, the species and various sub-species are numerous.. Would you define each section geographically? By species? I'm just trying to gather an idea of the type of layout that would be most efficient. I like your idea, although moderating/filtering/peer-reviewing is a time consuming process.. it could be beneficial in providing succinct, accurate and up to date material.. but whether it's feasible, i'm not entirely sure.

I think that instead of creating a whole new subforum for the acacias it'd be easier to flesh out the wiki with all the available information and possibly links to the relevant threads. In the wiki we could have the subspecies categorized, geographically or however the community thought of as best, links to extraction paths that work best with acacias, information about identifying and everything else relevant.

That could be a better way to go . I know adding forums can get a bit messy and make the main page cluttered. If the information is easier to find then that would be great.

I have to agree with universecannon. I think the cannabis subforum is a good idea, but I think too many sub-forums will thin things out a bit too much. There's definitely a wealth of info on acacia but I think that info can be "umbrella'd" under one of the many pre-existing sub-forums; as mentioned before it's all about DMT in the end. I think some re-organization and clean up of this info is a good idea, and I think Jarppi's suggestion was great.

I haven't been here super long nor contributed a whole lot so I'm not sure how much weight my opinion bears; but those are just my thoughts

I vote yes on an acacia sub-forum.

I agree with snozz that the collaborative research project section is a great place to post relevant research, we already have most of the better acacia research threads posted there and more research is always a great thing.

My reasoning for voting yes on an acacia subforum is the same as with the cannabis forum, simply to organize the huge pile of acacia related threads which are spread out all over the place into one easy to navigate and manage space. We don't wanna clog up the CRP section with 500 different "how do I extract acacia confusa" or "how do I deal with the goo" type threads. I am kinda on the fence with this one, because as uni says this does deal with DMT and perhaps should have a wider presence on the forum. I just think it would be nice/handy to be able to organize it a bit better. For example, having one section with an organized collection of posts about dealing with the goo might maybe possibly (but probably not) at least reduce some of the constant influx of goo posts we see.

I don't see more organization as being a bad thing really but I can see the counter argument to this one and it's quite reasonable in this case.

I think It would make sense to create an acacia section within the CRP section.

Collaborative research project

- acacia

- phalaris

- this plant

- that plant

Goo questions should be in the extraction section. Also we may be able to dwindle down the acacia threads by merging ones that are basically talking about the same thing. I think I have seen new threads on ID that should be in the ID thread. If I have time I will link them.

I'd be really happy to see an Acacia sub-forum. It can be tricky and time consuming to navigate the 80-some pages of the huge acacia thread to find one post.

I would also be happy to help sort threads for a "move".

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I'm on the fence. A google/nexus search has always pointed me to the right info. My two cents, which really won't get you much of anything...

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The thing is, the goo posts aren't CRP material. They are extraction troubleshooting. And, on that note, there's already a sticky on goo, so the people asking that (and similar) question(s) should be reading more carefully anyways, imo.

In fact, most of the things I understand people to be concerned about with regards to splitting off Acacias (numerous threads/questions/etc) have more to do with extraction and less to do with the plants themselves.

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For the people concerned with actual botanical/phytochemical/anthropological organization, the CRP format and subforum were established precisely to minimize clutter/unnecessary info and maximize cross-referencing and further research. At most, I could potentially see an argument for making various sub-forums within the CRP for different plants, but this brings me to a huge BUT...

The but is this...someone has to do it. Whether we are talking about CRP threads or a CRP Acacia subforum, there needs to be order to these threads (preferably following the format laid out and put to use in the best of the other CRP threads, and outlined in the CRP announcement) so that they are actually of the value that people are expressing a desire for. This doesn't just happen.

I'm 100% wholeheartedly opposed to making new subforums so that people can just dump in, wholesale, the same disorganized jumble of poorly-researched extraction and source-material questions. Especially if it means more work for Trav, for no real gain.

Given this, here's a proposal:

Why don't the folks who are interested in seeing greater order make for some greater order?

Why don't the people who really feel invested in making coherent threads with the full scope of the research to-date, do just that?

Once you have those threads complete, they can be easily found in the CRP, they can be easily turned into wiki pages, they can be moved to a CRP subforum in the event that CRP subforums are created down the line. So essentially, rather than putting the cart before the horse and creating a new subforum because it seems like a nice idea, why not create the content and then figure out how best to house it?

So...what say you, oh advocates of cleaner research threads?

Excellent points! I'm on board with this 100%.

I'm also happy to help as much as I can, I just am not even sure where to begin, indexing threads is easy; creating in depth wholesale comprehensive treatises, especially on something I know as little about as acacia, is not so easy.

I agree with Jarppi. The WIKI is the place for structured information (which can be harvested from the forums and elsewhere)

Admittedly, I have not made any contributions to the WIKI for a month or two now (been busy working on an "Acacia ID" app )

Hieronymous..i admire your drive and enthusiasm!

i will do what i can with my increasingly limited time...and you know i like organised acacainfo

i think Hieronymous there's a lesser and a greater aspect to Acacia interest..

first, and the primary focus of the nexus, is those which contain DMT...this info could be practically organised in the WIKI and CRP as others here suggested..

BUT, there are so many other both psychoactive (or potentially so) and medicinal compounds in the genus that this would be beyond the scope of the wiki...the greater aspect of acacias is bigger than most people probably realise..even just in terms of potential psychoactives which aren't DMT..this probably is sub-forum or stand alone site material..

so, i agree with both points of view expressed here..

i think Hieronymous your scope is perhaps a bit ahead of it's time (be patient.. )

for now, i think a well organised WIKI and CRP compilation thread will suit most nexians..