It's been a while since my last report and I have had some interesting experiences, however most of the things shown during the trips are forgotten after some time but there's a slight change internally that seems to be permanent with each trip, I do not consider myself completely "enlightened" but I often find myself frustrated when I reintegrate with the collective society.

What I mean by "collective society" is the mindset that reigns in most people, which has a very negative vibe, aggressive and always trying to put others down and "win". I find very hard to keep playing the upmanship game the more "elightened" I become, I have a succesful business but I don't find it interesting anymore, money is not important at all but it is important at the same time because all my life I have used it to survive. I still love to do my hobbies, and be with my partner, my family and friends, none of that has changed, I actually enjoy life more than before.

But I still have to deal with other individuals on a daily basis who are too deep into the game that they "drag" me back into it and really sets back or slows my progress. I hope some of you here with more experience than I can shed some light on how to deal and be able to continue the spiritual journey without having to move away from this very ill society.

I can relate when you say that the trips are forgotten, but the internal change remains. There's some under-glow carved into the subconscious that affects everyday life in a very subtle way. This change can, as you say, make it difficult to relate to the rest of society that (for the most part) hasn't yet "seen the light".

It's difficult to maintain focus on the things that now seem so unrelated, things such as money and status. However, it's still necessary to keep a balance of these things in order to survive and be happy in this plane of reality.

There's always going to be the people that drag you back down. It's all about sticking strong to what you personally believe and developing a bit of a carapace against the negativity and bad vibes. As much as I'm dipping into the platitudes for this one: you gotta believe in yourself.

well im going to chew on this.

you presuming that society as a whole is this or that is prejudicial, most of all to yourself, and though i wont disagree with you on the fact that when people are fed the same information (ie through media) they tend to come to the same conclusions, you have to consider for a second that your perception of them is negative rather than it itself.

your not enlightened, this isnt something you walk closer towards, either you are or you are not, and the pretext of moral/enlightened superiority has justified some pretty horrible acts.

now all that aside, you should expect that most people by definition operate their day to day lives at the level of a 5th/6th grader, this isn't an insult, merely a fact that most jobs can be performed by a person at this level of education, your "progress" is irrespective of these individuals because your coming to terms with yourself, not with others perception of you.

their is only one thing you can do, and this is an all or nothing kind of deal. either you forsake all your loves, hopes, dreams and desires, let go of everything in your live that brings you joy, knowing that it is temporary and will falter, and try to once you hit rock bottom, come to terms with who you are once all the fat, excess, hobbies and delusions are gone.

this obviously is probably not what you want, but this is the measuring stick by which you will come to terms with who you are and find what really matters in your life, your going to find that societies standards are based upon excess, exploitation and posturing, it bears absolutely no relevance to reality or how to survive hardships, and its coping with the real pains in your life, rather than the little inconvenience of an ignorant by standard, which should be of importance to you.

everything will falter, nothing corporeal will give you live long happiness, your desires bring suffering, the suffering you are enduring now are due to standards you hold which are not being satisfied, just because society does not live up to your standard does not give you the right to pass judgment over it, you need to come to terms with who you are and realize that "most of the things shown during the trips are forgotten after some time" is you forgetting who you are.

so all that said, try to realize that it is not society which is frustrating you, it is you frustrating yourself because your expectations are skewed, and the only way you can change those expectations (and thus yourself) is to let go of your wants and expectations.

and dont forget to bring a towel.

I just dgaf.

i'm comfortable being "weird", listening to weird music.
the paper chase isn't a motivator to me. society expects you to
stress yourself out to get a title next to your name, incur mountains of debt,
and instill the same in your offspring.

eff all that.

do whatever you want with your life, and quit comparing it to others'
lives. therein lies the real problem with people in general.

There's always going to be those people who are good at dragging you back into the game of win or lose. Eventually you start to become more and more resistant to their tactics.

I still have troubles with what you're describing. It's hard not to be a bit judgmental when you're surrounded with people who just seem so clueless. But like benzyme says, just DGAF They have their lives, you have yours. Live it the way you want to live it and let them play their games.

YA! DGAF!

You sir, not only hit the nail on the head, but also smashed it right through the floorboard... Bravo!

chase your dream(s). or don't.
neither is a wrong answer. what is the wrong answer is living someone else's dream.
that's a recipe for long-term misery.

toddlers in tiaras to phi beta kappa... the human dog show.

That is a very interesting question and something I have had trouble with as well. It is pretty hard to deal with it, but what the others have said is correct in my opinion. In essence it comes down to believing that what you are doing is right or better yet "not wrong".

If you believe in this and live it all the way through I believe you can influence other people around you as well. I am not saying you'll change the world, but you will have a positive influence on yourself and your surroundings. And will get back more from the surroundings as well.

I am reading Ken Wilber at the moment and he has a great theory to explain the way the world progresses in other states including the consciousness in it.

^^ what benzyme said

I think my initial post was not understood correctly.

I'm not uncomfortable being the way I am or trying to judge others, I also don't find myself comparing other's lives. My problem is that I can't simply ignore everyone that has a negative effect on me, I live in a city and I have to deal with them if I want it or not.

For example I have to deal with a lot of government crap because of my business which is what provides me with the means to live and it's the only way I know, it's too late now to learn the skills to live without money. Most of the crap I have to deal with are crooked customs agents, banks, customers and local version of the IRS, and these people are the ones that I feel are dragging me back into the game because I have to revert to my "old ways" in order to get the things done.

that's the ticket (for admission) to the big game, the price you pay.
and you're right, it's run by crooks. racketeers and syndicates.
for individuals, it (extortion) would be jail time, but government agencies and insurance companies seem to get away with it.

the model for society was preprogrammed, so that only a few really reap the rewards.

Yea man that sucks, so far the only solution I've thought of is to completely check out of the game ...

Well, with an attitude like that...
How's this for a solution: Do what you will. Frak the bullshit, the world is ALWAYS full of bullshit. Just watch where you put your feet and you won't get any on you.

As for me, I just have a good laugh over how much trouble everyone puts themselves through, and carry on. You can't fix stupid.

Hehe, not a negative attitude, what I meant by checking out of the game was to remove yourself from the society.

And you are right, you can still be in the society and watch where you put your feet, but you will still get some on you no matter how much you try to avoid it... well I guess I have to learn to not be affected by the crap, any suggestions?

DGAF.

It isn't practical expecting to find any way around the psychic interference of all these nuts. I work on it inside myself, synthesize, distinguish, galvanize, clarify. It's a daily process. I grow from it. It's like strength training.

It seems when our perspectives of the world change, then we have a hard time dealing with people in "society" that don't "Think like us".

I've dealt with this as well. For me, the best thing that helped, was another change in perspective. And a couple other practices.
you don't have to let these people drag you down.
If the tables were turned and the people that you have to "deal with" had to "deal with" you instead?
How would you want to be treated?

If you believe that these people are stuck in ignorance and negativity, why not be an example for something better?
Lead by example, don't let them drag you down into the shit.


I've started to look at these people with compassion, realizing that it must be even harder for them, because they haven't figured it out yet. It was ME at some point.
After a while I think neuroplasticity kicks in, and you've trained yourself to have different reactions to these types of situations.

I'm fine with just DGAFing it too!

Sometimes you got to get away, change, stir the shit up, kick it off your boots and head for greener pastures.

it's not difficult, especially now in the information age, to find and align yourself with
like-minded individuals, like on this board.
the problem ymer faces is more of an uphill battle, against larger entities which are heavily invested in not allowing you to succeed more than them.

It's been a while since I've posted... this caught my attention because it's something that's come close to home recently.

You are not enlightened, even claiming it, you're putting yourself on a pedestal. You will create a very insular part of yourself, separating you from others as a whole.

From my own experience in the last year.. messianic complex is a seriously real thing.. you should probably take a huge step back from the picture and rethink your attitudes towards others and yourself.

DMT for me, was an experience that knocked me back onto the path, nothing more. It was a wake up call that I seriously needed, it cleansed a lot of stuff from my life I didn't expect including parts of myself. The thing I did notice was it allowed me to see past my ego, the second you come back you start to create another ego.. it's part of it, you're offered a chance to completely change your attitude and the way you treat others.

You havn't been witness to anything special, you havn't been witness to answers others don't understand.. we ALL come from the same place, we are ALL equals and we are ALL on different paths to one another. If you're to separate yourself from society and others in such a way you'll start to see a huge decline in your general happiness..

This isn't meant to be a rant, merely I think you should appreciate the fact the universe allowed you to experience what you experienced and that experience should be completely unique and life changing, only to you.

I honestly feel enlightened beings, are the ones who don't even know about it. Or aren't even seeking it. People like mother Terressa became enlightened because they gave selflessly to others, without question, without conditions.

Maybe take a part in your local community and try to make a difference instead of creating a heirarchy of interests?

DMT showed me I know nothing and I should accept everything as it is.

you learn that naturally with age, if you're the type that constantly questions things, and don't cling strongly to any beliefs.

enlightenment is just a word, people have different interpretations of it. sure, it may describe a state of being, but it's not necessarily "the way" or "the truth". everyone has different paths, there are no right or wrong paths.

one could argue most decisions, especially acts of giving and charity, are hedonistic.
I wouldn't call it enlightened.