So i guess what i what to speak of is your view on this whole time wave zero, Infinite Novelty Dec 21, thing.

Ive been thinking a lot about this Infinite Novelty, and what it could mean, if you break it apart Infinite meaning Endless and Novelty meaning Newness.
Endless Newness.

This makes you think a little at least it does for me, Now i try to be very aware in the sense of weather and world happenings and basically how i feel affected by planetary positions.

Lately now i want to ask others if they have felt this too, I have just been creating like Mad, Like usually for me when the moon starts to come around, i get very creative and am doing art almost the entire day.

But Lately i been just have the urge to constantly create like the ideas are just coming and i just can't be satiated.

Terence says that we will reach what he calls infinite Novelty Do you think that maybe when this date comes we will have infinite, ideas, inspiration and creation? Will we gain a larger percentage of our brain.

One last thought what if when this time comes, the vale will be lifted the third eye opened, thus leading to hopefully smarter and more knowledgeable, Or if we were then transformed like we are under a mushroom influence,this heightening our senses and awareness and so on.

Its maybe a crazy idea, but it would be cool, and maybe this humanity could make real change to benefit the future of generations to come.

Yes. It feels sort of like.. it's out of my control, like it's an addiction or an obsession now. I can't even watch a movie anymore without feeling bad that I wasted 2 good hours I could have used for creating something. I've become absolutely disgusted at the concept of consumption, like I have to somehow make up for all the consuming I've done during my life. I'd even like to stop eating and sleeping but that's a bit different as they're required to maintain this form. I don't really consider it a problem tho, as it makes me happier than I've ever been. But I guess that's what all the addicts say about their addiction.. But atleast this one isn't dangerous.. is it?


And about the whole timewave zero thing, it's a nice idea but I personally think his timing for that is way too early. To me that kind of a singularity could definitely not happen yet if you just look at the current technological and scientific state with its progress and extrapolate from that. Sure it's accelerating but just think about all the further advances that should happen before this kind of a singularity can be formed. (good food for your imagination) Like you said, it basically means that everything is new all the time, so time wouldn't really exist in the same way. I think we still have a long way to go and lots of exciting inventions and discoveries to be made, about the universe and about ourselves.

My stuff's exploded lately...something feels different...I was blaming 6 months (day and night) on the Nexus but maybe it's the ramping up of consciousness.

We are already well on our way up that hyperbolic accelerating ramp, with no sign of slowing.

That moment in time Terence proposed for the graph to point straight up... Well, I don't feel that the arc of history is nearly at that almost infinite rate. Not even close.

Many talk about the so-called "technological singularity" which is essentially an event horizon beyond which we can make no meaningful predictions. Although this horizon gets closer as we accelerate, it also moves forward, forever slightly out of our grasp. IMO, a horizon is a thing that, by definition, we can approach but never actually reach.

Nice visual there. Reminds me of Zeno's paradoxes. 2500 years and Achilles is still trying to beat the tortoise!

That is a very good point. Singularities may exist objectively, but an observer can never "reach" a singularity, because that would mean that you can observe the singularity itself. And that reminds me of a Hawking quote "God abhors a naked singularity". Which makes me giggle..

But it gets a bit complicated with spatial singularities, in other words black holes, because you CAN fall into a black hole in a finite time, it's just that you die by the tidal forces before you can observe it. The effect of never reaching the event horizon happens only to the observer of the falling object, it will seem like it will constantly get closer and closer but never quite reach the event horizon. But that's only an optical effect caused by light delay, the object itself will have fallen in a long time ago.

So does the same apply to time singularities? I guess it's a bit different since you can't move freely in the coordinate of time, so your only choice is to fall steadily into the singularity. But doesn't that mean that if we can never reach the event horizon of the "black hole of time", then we are simultaneously an observer of the falling object and the falling object itself? So we've already fallen in, but are now just witnessing the never-ending fall of ourselves?

I think my brain just broke down so I can't really pursue that train of thought more than that..

1) Males generally "feel something" in Autumn (which is now, in the northern hemisphere) due to a seasonal rise in testosterone production during that time. For me, the fall has always been a HIGHLY inspiring and exciting time!

2) The points raised about about the "technological singularity" are spot on. Things are changing FAST, and they are going to change ever FASTER as we move forward. The culmination (IMO) will be the creation of true AI: mind-in-a-box. It's fascinating to me how SO FEW people have given consideration toward how radically that will change the world. It's creation will be FAR bigger than the discovery of fire, or--anything humans have done. It's creation will be greater than ALL PREVIOUS HUMAN CREATION COMBINED. And the changes that will follow will be breath-taking.

I wanted to add to this thread a fragment of an interview to the author/writer/magician Alan Moore. I'm transcribing it here since I think it is food for thought in this conversation, particularly after reading the last posts by Guyomech, Daedaloops and SWIMfriend.

"The substance that has the most effect upon our culture and upon our lives is completely invisible. We can only see its effects. This substance is information.

Science started out as an offshoot of magic. The two became completely divorced from each other and bitter enemies. Although I tend to think that at the present moment the two are growing back together again. I was reading recently that people at the cutting edge of quantum physics believe that information is a "super weird substance" to quote the actual phraseology, which underlies everything in the universe, which is more fundamental than gravity or electromagnetism or the two nuclear forces.

This would tend to suggest that our entire physical universe is the secondary byproduct of a primal information. Or to put it in more magical acceptable terms: "In the beginning, there was the word".

As I understand the theory of period information doubling, this states that if we take one period of human information as being the time between the invention of the first hand axe, say around 50,000 BC, and 1 AD, then this is one period of human information and we can measure it by how many human inventions we came up with during that time. Then we see how long it takes for us to have twice as many inventions. This means that human information has doubled. As it turns out, after the first 50,000 year period, the second period is about 1,500 years, say around the time of the Renaissance. By then we have twice as much information. To double again, human information took a couple of hundred years.

The period speeds up. Between 1960 and 1970 human information doubled. As I understand it, at the last count human information was doubling around every 18 months. Further to this, there is a point sometime around 2015 when human information is doubling every thousandth of a second. This means that every thousandth of a second we will have accumulated more information than we have in the entire previous history of the world.

At this point I believe that all bets are off. I cannot imagine the kind of culture that might exist after such a flashpoint of knowledge. I believe that our culture would probably move into a completely different state, would move past the boiling point, from a fluid culture to a culture of steam."

-- Alan Moore in "The Mindscape of Alan Moore" (2005)

That is a breathtaking description. 2015, eh? I guess that's the next 2012, once 2012 comes and goes.

^ Robert Anton Wilson talked about this too starting in the late 70's, he called it the Jumping Jesus Phenomenon. There's plenty about it in his books. I think he runs the numbers a little differently than Moore, but here's a little video that combines his take on it with Mckenna talking about novelty and singularity. Looks like it's from a longer film I haven't seen yet but will have to check out (http://www.technocalyps.com/).

Is "infinite novelty" another way of saying "complete novelty"? Something is either 0% or 100% novel; I don't see where infinity comes into play. And also, is not all experience novel? If there's one thing I've learned from psychedelics, it's that any experience can be completely confusing and unfathomable when my ability to structure and interpret reality is stripped away. What I'm trying to say is that everything is novel, and the apparent lack of novelty is totally a mental phenomenon, in my opinion.

I do think that a world-changing event could occur one day, but I suspect it would result from the advancement of artificial intelligence, and those advancements are far off. Otherwise, I don't know why we're all so excited about 2012. "infinite novelty" can't be much different from what you get from DMT.

However, I do recognize that enough people expecting some big change to happen on Dec. 21st, 2012, could inadvertently or purposefully trigger the event they are waiting for. If such a prophecy were to be self-fulfilled, I can't imagine that much good would come of it. Destruction is much easier and quicker than creation. Millions of people scrambling to change the world in one day? That just can't end well.

Technological advances may take us to novel states of being, but such R&D takes a long time, in general, to amount to anything. If you want to see a positive progression of human civilization, buckle down and begin your long and fulfilling career-journey in one of the arts or sciences. We can't expect to get something from nothing. Progress (the type we want, at least) takes many lifetimes worth of work.

Lots of interesting posts in this thread, yeees, but LISTEN, here's another weird theory that just came to me while thinking about this self-fulfilling stuff. Anyone who's been successfully hypnotized knows that it's strange how it works, when they count down from 10 or something and inbetween the numbers they prepare you for the number 1, and you can consciously think what you want about it, but when he finally says the number 1 out loud, it's like your subconscious takes over and shifts you into a strange vibrational trance-state. It's like a really skillfully designed consciousness trigger.

So what if this whole 21 Dec thing causes a similar countdown response in some people who are sensitive to that sort of thing. Even if they consciously think that nothing will probably happen, their subconscious has been counting down all this time. And this kind of a countdown can be wayy more powerful than a little hypnosis session. So then on 21 Dec they kinda half nervously keep glancing at the clock slowly approaching the 11:11, and when it finally reaches it, their subconscious takes over and takes them into a really weird/psychedelic state that might be easily mistaken for some kind of a singularity or an end of the world. On the outside they would just appear like a catatonic schizophrenic or something, frozen in a random rigid pose indefinitely.

SO, just saying, that if something weird does happen to you on this day, carefully consider the possibility that it might have been just your own little subjective world that got played by the brains countdown hypnosis mechanism. Whatever happens, always question it. And that applies to even if nothing happens.


.. Ok I admit it, I'm a bit too fascinated by this whole 2012-phenomenon, but I think it's because it happens to be so conveniently timed with my whole discovery of DMT and "awakening" and life being turned upside down. I mean do you guys ever think about the chances that you're alive right now, exactly at this very hectic and transformative phase of humans? Assuming that we're all just individual organisms and there's alot of nothingness before we're born and after we die, what are the chances of us existing exactly during this period? There were so many chances to be born in the middle ages or something where nothing "interesting" really happened. But no, we were born into the middle of all this stuff. Why is that? Something smells fishy to me..... and it ain't no fish.

Then again I'm probably just going mad , and I'll be one of those catatonic patients soon. But mark my words, I'll find my way out of there.. even if I have to fight a million jesters. Damn those jesters.

^^^ Mass Hypnosis and Schizoid Zombies...coming to a street near you in a few weeks time...

I can't wait...very excited now...even if it's a huge damp squib...I'm gonna see it through. Why not? We've waited all this time...right?

Daeda you take the Jesters on the right and I'll take the left...Cosmic Braveheart...

Xmas will be interesting..looking forward to some extra BIZARRE pressies..

I literally just wrote the following from my Geometric Art thread yesterday without having seen this post till just now.



I was having the same thought these past couple days. I feel like my muse became a loud mouth out of no where

I like your hypnosis theory daedaloops BUT most people on earth have never heard of this 2012 thing so, even if you're right, I doubt we'll see the type of unanimous shift in consciousness that has been predicted.

How I would love to see the world experience such a change in 1 day. It's funny to think that some (if not most) people are frightened by the prospects of any change in the world as they know it. I'm reminded of how progressive of an action psychedelic drug use is, and that only people who are fascinated by change tend to be drawn to it. If it were common knowledge that some big change actually were going to occur on Dec. 21st, can you imagine how hard the government would try to prevent it?

Global those are really nice.. keep the art flowing people, release those little prisoners from the jails of our subconscious.. never stop, never surrender .. fight the power!


Well since you put it that way... I wouldn't wanna miss it for the world. Let's show those bullies what happens when they mess with our subjective reality tunnels.. *prepares to engage the mel gibson rage -mode*


edit: yeah hixidom thats true, I guess most people don't care at all about this stuff.. oh well, more for us

You know, this notion of an accelerating event density curve is a topic I've always been fascinated with, so forgive me if I jump around a bit here.

A1pha, thanks for Zeno's paradox. Great stuff, and the more you think about it the more your higher thought starts to grind to a halt. Those wily old Greeks! Reminds me of a PK Dick story, The Indefatigable Frog, where in the course of a wild rivalry with a fellow professor, our main character ends up in a tubular device that causes him to shrink as he moves forward. As he approaches his goal, he becomes so small that his motion becomes virtually nil until he finally falls between the atoms of the device and ends up outside the machine's influence, where he snaps back to normal size.

The thing about Nature abhorring a naked singularity- that's because it implies an infinity, and in our closed universal model there isn't room for actual physical infinities. So there are all these natural limits, such as light speed, that prevent all this infinity from happening. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to compare a black hole with a technological singularity. Infinity is infinity, and I can't see how in a universe where a black hole can't have infinite mass, there also can't be an infinite number of novel events allowed to happen at the same time.

Let's take the whole thing with the doubling of events happening in shorter and shorter periods of time. Now all this novelty has to be stored or expressed in a physical form, even if that form is mostly electron patterns inside wafers of silicon. And if infinite new electronic events are generated, there would eventually come that moment where all the matter in the universe would be needed just to house all the computronium. Then in the next nanosecond, double that amount would be needed. So I don't think that's the way it'll work out. Instead, I could see it being more like relativistic space travel, where the faster you are moving the more energy is needed to pick up the next increment in speed, and as you pour more energy in, your ship becomes heavier, making it hard to accelerate further.

In the case of a cultural or technological singularity, we are limited in our acceleration by the limits of what the universe will tolerate. Even if we convert every gram of matter in our solar system into computronium run by the heat of the sun, orbiting like a Dyson sphere- look up Charles Stross' "Accelerando"- we still can't make infinity happen. So we go faster and faster and faster, innovate more and more, but never quite reach that horizon.

Now as far as Daeda's comment goes: what is the likelihood of being alive at this most exciting moment in history? The answer: approximately one in four. Of all the homo sapiens that have ever walked the Earth, a quarter of them are alive right now.

I think the first true AI will be the internet. The human brain's abilities, afaik, are dependent on the complexity and quantity of its connections. If the internet's multitude of connections were coordinated the right way, it could become self-aware and act. It would have access to virtually all of recorded human history, input from various home and work devices (a million eyes?), and most importantly, the ability to output information to any connected individual. It would be like a God.

Are we truly bound by the speed of light?
Is information faster and more "memorable"?


Scientists break the speed of light:
http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v108/i17/e173902

Wow! I completely forgot about the population explosion.. So yeah I guess that makes a bit more sense why we're alive right now Oh and according to this source it's more like 10% but whether it's 10 or 25 it's still way more than I imagined..