Ive done salvia extract once in my life, i was about 18 or something and had never done any drugs except cannabis before it.

I think i had 20x extract and i took 2big rips out of a bong and got fudged up! it was way too strong and i have never dared touching that stuff again.

Fast forward 8years and i have tried most of the common psychs out there in small and big doses, and i´m starting to feel salvia calling again, or i think i do at least.

I have a vial of 10 or 20 extract(can´t recall atm) and a 1mg scale.

How should i dose this to have a good chance of actually enjoying the experience? and what is the best set & setting?

I remember doing one hit of a blunt(plain leaves) and i was out there! This plant is intense so i was never really a fan of extracts. But you could always mix em with other herbs, like mint for example.
Set and setting should definitely be a peaceful environment. You could put on some icaro music which was sort of a safety line towards reality. Salvia isn't what i call enjoyable but definitely insightful under the right circumstances.
I can recall i was once observing my thought process as if i wasn't in my mind lol.

how come it isnt enjoyable? is it the lack of euphoria or just the twisted nature of the experience?

At least some people seem to do it somewhat often so there have to be some recreationable value right?

The word itself is subjective. To me enjoyable means i'm having fun because it's a novel thing filled with laughter.
My only recommendation to you is treat the plant with respect or you might end up like the guys in youtube(bad vibes).

There's usually an afterglow after 15 minutes of the mind bending experience. My observation about this plant made me conclude that in low doses, the trip becomes more insightful. In higher doses, it's just too fast for me to understand.

Good luck!

Look at the top of the Salvia subforum and you will see Gibran2 has a stickied thread about salvia dosing. You can use this to calculate how much of each extract to use "safely" and avoid over-dosing, which is very difficult to avoid with the stronger extracts without measurement. If you can get ahold of some plain leaf, you might want to start there. Salvia, IME, is second to none in terms of strangeness. Some people experience great discomfort, and others, like Gibran2, find the ego obliterating trip to be a relatively neutral and unfrightening one. Always best to start low to see where you sit in this spectrum and to test the waters to see if you would like to venture further.

Good luck and let us know how it goes!

JBArk

Like anything else, it can go both ways.
There is a small creek near my home set in a beautiful wooded enviroment. I'd go there alone early in the morning, find a comfy spot on the sandy banks, and smoke it( x5 or smaller dose x10) just as the early morning sun was chasing the mist away. Magical setting= magical trip. The strangest thing I noticed was that normaly very timid wildlife would aproach very close and seem not to be scared of me.
Even if the trips are indeed a bit bizarre, this closeness to nature phenomena was what made the experience so worth while. The afterglow really lasts too.

Salvinorin A is the most potent naturally occurring hallucinogen, with a moderately strong dose being only 1mg or less. I’ve said it in other posts, but I’ll say it again: I suspect that salvia has a bad reputation because many novice users consume many times what is considered a strong dose. A strong dose of 25X is only 16mg. It shouldn’t be a surprise that someone who consumes 5-10 times that in a single dose will have a very difficult time.

My experience with salvia has always been very good. I’ve never had a really difficult experience. My only “complaint” about salvia is that it seems very cryptic. If there are messages of personal value embedded in salvia experiences, I still haven’t figured out what they are.

I have not done salvia in a long time (plant have died on me after some really stupid mistakes)

It's a sacred plant though for sure.

Talk about cryptic. A couple of times i felt like vomiting but instead of letting out nasty stuff, words came out of my mouth. It was so involuntary that i was able to observe what i was saying and started writing them down. Long story short, what made sense during the trip didn't make one bit of sense after i came down.

"Do not blame me for not being able to forget our last meeting in the moon." written in our native tongue.

Hahaha, that is excellent. Nonsense on so many levels!

What gibran says

And recreational value? It depends what you consider recreational. If deep entheogenic experiences are your idea of fun, this plant is of great value.

yeah shroomtroll, I 'd suggest you to try and mesure low doses, sub-breakthrough doses of salvia. then work slowly your way up. the set has been very important for me but not always, I liked it in a house with very good vibes or a very sweet spot outdside.

I have only ever smoked plain leaf and I would say that salvia is fun. I have always felt salvia to have benevolent effects but that might change if I ever smoke an extract. I actually get really strong euphoria sometimes when I smoke it. Especially this one time when I felt like I had taken the form of a shoe. I have never had the dysphoria that so many people speak of.

I would suggest that you start with plain leaf and cultivate a relationship with the plant before venturing into extracts again if you want to find the experience more enjoyable. Plain leaf has also had the added benefit of being a mild but effective mood elevator in my experience, which definitely helps make the act of smoking salvia a more positive experience.

So true... and I wholly agree, that there is a very potent message being given by the spirit of this plant. It is most understandable while caught helplessly WITHIN the explosive rush of the Salvinorin Universe, yet, becomes almost immediately elusive when we return to our "normal" human ego-self, existing in the collective material world. Reality as we have been trained to perceive it... is not the same experience, now is it?

I cannot say exactly why... but I ALWAYS try to decode said encryption, regardless of the impossibility of this translation (for lack of a better word). I have theorized that such knowledge is not only useless on this side of the looking glass, but inapplicable, given the dynamic of existence, here in the earthly parameters of the humanoid paradigm.

This, however, does not stop me from trying to remember and reignite the same mysterious knowledge and level of awareness encountered within the pulsing fractal patterns (and oh-so wavy light beams & sonic undulations). the endlessly looping energy surges of vibrational force, perceived as one losses oneself within of the rolling current of The Salvinorin Seas.

My own problem with said "translation", lies in the fact that my rational mind is not the tool to reintegrate such profound states of dissociation and also, illumination. There already exists a degree of remembrance but it is not encoded in the cerebral cortex nor the logical mechanism of it's design. It seems to my subjectivity, that this encoding digs deeper in the brain's experiential files.

It appears to lock onto the instinctual capacity of the human faculty, wherever that exists (I'm not schooled in this area of expertise). It exists in an almost primitive level of awareness, yet, implies a futuristic sensation, despite being utterly timeless. I have never felt that lineage progression has meaning within this state of mind. Doesn't it seem to loop and/or fold itself endlessly into some sort of timeless continuum, whereby past-present-future are one phenomenon?

I can FEEL the impressions left from this immersion within the Salvia Universe and I am currently attempting to decode much of the message, by consciously targeting the region of my awareness which exists on the borders and boundaries of separation, of the conscious and unconscious. The highly lucid state betwixt the folds of perceived reality and the unknown/unknowable.

Any progress with this process, by necessity, will be difficult if not impossible to relay cohesively. It's certainly a valuable practice and I am confident that despite the degree of difficulty, there ARE ways to unify the spheres and cull the messages and lessons this powerful Spirit Teacher has to impart.

Does any of that make sense, whatsoever?

YES IT DOES!!

I think you're on to something here. I came back from a trip holding on to a "knowledge" that felt impossible to know or even think of and still exist in this world. I had a strong urge to run down my street shouting this "secret knowledge", but before I could get out of my chair I forgot what it was I was going to shout!

There seems to be a "hole" in the back (or center?) of the mind, in the middle of this primal awareness. Try focusing on the nothingness behind your eyes (or awareness). Target and narrow in on the infinite point of being, letting everything else fall away. Let go of everything. Beyond the singular point of consciousness, I feel, lies ego-death and the multi-dimensional space.

I merged with my cabinet and became a person place thing all in a span of 1-2 seconds.



Try to meditate right before you blast off. Right posture, right mindset. It would be difficult, just make sure you aren't in places where you'll be prone to hit your head(table, chairs, etc).

Oh absolutely, I have never embraced the dance with Salvia Divinorum without the appropriate meditation beforehand. Or any other entheogen, for that matter. Not in the last 34 years at least. This is especially important to me, when Lady Salvia is concerned.

Without a calm center... the looping and pulsing force of the Salvinorin Sea would devastate my mental stability and core sense of self. Which... if I am being totally honest, seems to happen anyway and all one can do is experience the full force of the current and suspend conception until returning to this side of such a whirling fulcrum of psychedelic energy.

Still, the haunting memory of the moment one initially returns to a process of rational thinking, a platform of logical experience, is one of utmost paradox. Now there was SOMETHING terribly profound I recall, that I really wanted to bring back to this side of the experience... and it eludes my grasp the more I reach for it.

Again, reason is an inappropriate tool to unlock the encryption. Such files are encoded far into the deepest recesses of the non-cognitive human mind. I feel the quintessence of the lesson is often about experience without thought, so any "message" is encrypted within our instinctual intelligence.

Say, has anyone gone through hypnotism after a particularly intense Salvia trip? I bet there is data which could otherwise not be culled, where it not for a qualified hypnotist on hand. Anyone?

Wanting despairingly to recall the secrets to this riddle and being unable to translate the data properly, without the direct connection to the Salvia Universe, as we cannot hold the "knowledge" we receive from the powerful Spirit Teacher within the chemistry of this mind-shattering entheogen.

Or can we? I believe we can, will and DO in ways we may not even be aware of. Isn't that one of the reasons we have inter-phased with such a magikal Sacred Medicine? Though we do try and will continue to push the boundaries of our limited understanding, towards a realm of partial understanding. Baby steps for the humanoids, eh?

That's a thought that has crossed my mind as well, going to a hypnotist to see if anything could be remembered. I haven't done it, but I do plan on seeing a past life regressionist in the near future. Perhaps she'll be able to help with that as well.

Thanks guys alot of good advice here, i might dilute some of my 10x extract with some mint leaf or similar to get a easy start..

Don´t know when i will start my salvia journey but i will get back to this thread when i do.

Perhaps the purpose of Salvia is simply to inspire us into positivity, by showing us an awesome experience. Perhaps all it wants to do is give us this awesome experience that we won't forget if we become fed up with the monotony of regular life??...Perhaps this is ALL it wants to do for us, and doesn't want us to delve further and try to analyse the experience??

--Perhaps Salvia would say " i give you a mind bending experience that you'll remember for those reasons, i show you there's more to life than you think, i ease your depressions...yet you are still not satisfied and want more from me??? "