Greeting fellow Nexians

For many people who embrace psychedelics, there is a profound experience of blinding white light, radiating from deep within their own Mind. Visions of this great radiance are common to religious & shamanic experiences across the globe, spanning millenniums of our collective human evolution. :idea:

My first mind blowing encounter was in February of 1978. It was LSD that activated the vision but I have had the same perception from encounters with mescaline, psilocybin, MDMA, THC, Salvia Divinorum and especially, with DMT. I have also had this encounter while in deep meditation, without the aid of Sacred Medicines. This has also occurred after fasting, sensory deprivation and controlled breathing exercises (as with Kriya Yoga or Surat Shabd Yoga).

So, I was wondering what my other Nexus brethren and sistren have experienced? Please feel free to place your vote and/or leave a reply, sharing some of your experience with The Inner Light. Thanx in advance for your sincerity and participation, Folks. Namaste, I honor the light within you.

I have been hoping to experience this white light, but I have not as of yet. I am looking to feel the ONEness - the brahman - the ALL. I have tried large amounts of spice, many ~10x/15x salvia journeys, a light dose of mushrooms, and cannabis. I have not been able to try 5meo, lsd, or heavy mushrooms yet. So far, none of these experiences have led to this feeling or place. I suppose when I am ready, it will happen.

From my own small understanding of this mechanism, there are two ways to achieve this blinding visionary Revelation:

#1. Psychedelics. This can be a dangerous road to travel with larger doses, so please be patient and gradually attune yourself for the dawning of the light. When you are ready, it will dawn, as we are now rapidly evolving into this capacity, collectively (as psychonauts).


#2. Deep Meditation. With continued daily/nightly practice, over decades of steady effort (what is time?), this light incrementally increases within one's mind, until it is a guiding star for your entire life's drama. One must develop an ability to focus one's attention fully upon the Third Eye, the singular eye. This is the very lens by which we perceive the Light of all Lights. Much of our spiritual Sadhana is an exercise in receptivity.

Obviously, the two paths are not mutually exclusive, truth is, they are quite complimentary. Remember, pushing the envelope with Sacred Medicines can bring on a terrifying experience of self-obliteration and ego-shattering. Looking out from the view of my mind's windowsill, developing an attunement to the Inner Light is like learning to sing. Rare individuals are born, naturally singing from their diaphragms, others must learn this with repeated practice and learn to develop it's usage. Our conscious activation of the singular eye is the journey of a lifetime. Patience is absolutely necessary. That being said, if you desire to live in the light, you will prevail. "The hour is always darkest, just before the Dawn." Do keep the faith. :idea:

With a sincere desire and an open heart, most psychonauts can learn to see the White Light and in stages, merge consciously into it's vast brilliance. Immersions and re-immersions revolve throughout our spiritual practice, throughout the dream of our earthly existence. The vision of the White Light is a crossroads of sorts, it is a high frequency of vibration, that form of energy which bridges the illusory gap between Humanity and Divinity.

I have only actually immersed in this light once under mushrooms. I have however been very aware of it's presence on LSD as well. I've meditated with marijuana many times and I find it's great for focusing the mind. Marijuana used with meditation will certainly open my minds eye, but I can't say that I have ever reached cosmic consciousness with it.

I have had one DMT experience where the vision become completely white, but it was not a merging experience like it was under shrooms. In fact it was just like the vision slowly morphed into white. The experience with shrooms was a peak life experience. I should also note that it didn't just happen to me. I was actively seeking the answer to , "What am I". I was very focused and very concentrated. After it happened I was reminded of Parmanhansa Yogananda's first awakening in his autobiography of a yogi. It was very profound. BTW I was still aware. I think some confuse ego death with loss of awareness, but that's not it at all. Ego death is just realizing that the part that you normally refer to as 'I' is not any more real than the 'I' in your dreams every night. In my white light immersion, after the final "What am I", I was immediately thrust into an awareness of the vibration of every atom in my body teaming with energy (This also happens when I fall asleep consciously), but on shrooms I was also deeply aware of a connection to everything...not an afterglow sort of connection, but a full on mergining with what I can only describe as cosmic consciousness or samadhi. I believe Patanajali also describes this state as being infinitely small and infinitely large. That was it to a tee. There was no doubt when it happened that it was exactly what had been described by many sages from various religions.


Interesting I'm not convinced that I will reclaim this state with DMT. For one it's to short. When it happened on mushrooms the total immersion lasted for just over an hour... far longer than any DMT trip. While I've had some amazingly beautiful experiences on DMT they are often accompanied by nausea on moderate doses. However there are other states that are just as important to carrying on with my life in this reality. I find smaller doses with CHANGA are great for getting that 'feel' good mentality about the world. I find that for several day's after a psychedelic session I'm more at ease with the world around me. I'm more patient with others. I'm more patient with myself. I also think it depends largely on how you use them. For instance sometimes I will focus my mind on love and actively try to feel love as I take a few hits. The second time I did CHANGA this "feel love" meditation actually resulted in me feeling a supreme amount of raw love which transformed into devotion for the power that holds this all together which I have no problem calling God. It was powerful enough that I cried. It was powerful enough that I was almost brought to tears the next morning on my commute to work as I saw the sunrise over the city.....MDMA doesn't even come close to how I felt when I did this...however I have never actively used MDMA to meditate on love...perhaps if I should ever come across it again I will give it a shot. BTW This 'meditation on love' resulted in a 2 day long afterglow where I felt compelled to reach out to everyone I know and tell them how much I loved them...Including fellow members of the nexus. These kinds of experiences can really reset a person and help them re find their path. I don't really do these drugs recreationally any more. I may take a very small dose of shrooms for a music festival, but it's only to get the afterglow... The deep healing sessions I do alone...typically on Sat or Sun morning I will awake around 4:00 while the wife and animals are still sleeping. Then I plunge deep into myself and when I reemerge I'm ready to take on the next life challenge.

Put bluntly there is no doubt that moderate use of these drugs is greatly enhancing my life...but I must admit that I don't believe they would enhance everyone's life. When I was younger I witnessed a guy freak out on LSD and throw all the furniture out of his mothers second story living room window.... Everyone is different and everyone is at a different point on their spiritual evolution. When I see threads about people 'showing these stupid material bitches a new reality" It deeply pains me. These are sacred medicines and when used to force another person...well to put it bluntly I think these are the exact sorts of offenses that people should be put in jail for. I have utter disdain for people that do this....sorry I took a detour!

Ultimately for me psychedelic sessions are used to help propel me along my path by helping me feel as though my life does have a purpose because I'm intimately connected to every other atom in the universe. I find that sober meditation is necessary to balance the mental energy released from psychedelics. Usually for a couple of day's afterwards I have a harder time settling my mind during meditation. This is the biggest draw back I have yet found with their use.

I've had the experience happen a single time. I have tripped hundreds of times on over 30 different psychedelics over a period of 10 years. It was my first breakthrough on DMT and my further breakthroughs have not taken me to the same place.

It was definitely a peak experience and I will never forget it.. my body pulled apart atom by atom starting at my feet and I had distinct feelings of death. My body completely dissolved and I didn't see a white light.. I became the white light. It appeared to be an eternal energy.. infinity.. everything that was or ever will be (while also being nothing..)

My white light experience was also an ego death experience. There was no I. There was only the white light.. "I" was everything.

Although the experience only lasted a few minutes time meant absolutely nothing and it could of easily been eternity. When I returned to my body and saw it had only been 8 minutes I was completely awestruck. I didn't sleep that entire night and spent a couple hours saying "What the fuck. That is impossible." over and over again. It is a completely indescribable feeling. I was also left with the distinct feeling that this light was always inside me and this was not just a drug experience. I immediately *knew* it..

I was able to return to this state while drifting off to sleep a couple times in the following week. It only lasted a couple of seconds each time..

Before this experience I was a strict materialist and I never would have believed this to be possible. My entire worldview has changed because of this event and I believe I am a much better person now because of it.

I believe this state is Samadhi.. I also equate it with becoming Brahman because I literally became the entire universe.

I am glad to see it being discussed.

^^ This. I forget about that. Yes the very same thing happens to me as well. After mushroom trips I often fall asleep consciously and it is a white light experience, but it is very brief...seconds long. I can never maintain the state!

Why isn't there an option for "Yes, and I still think the experience is neurological"?

Good point. I also think it's neurological...but that doesn't preclude the fact that I think it's still a mystical experience.

Let's say God is real for the point of argument. If said God was going to induce a mystical experience in a person how would he do it? Would he use the neural pathway's already provided? Or would he have to come up with some other way?

There is no doubt that it's only a matter of time before we map the mystical experience pathways in the brain. But just because science can explain what happens biologically during the experience will not mean that they fully understand the experience. Science is ill equipped to comment on anything that doesn't pertain to this physical reality. theoretical physicists can speculate about parallel universes via math, but that can't directly test it. Science may some day undergo a paradigm shift and grow to encompass tools that will allow it to explain the big picture, but I don't see that happening any time soon.

Make no doubt though..it is biological in origin. You put a drug into your body and it binds with your brains receptor sites and induces the experience...or perhaps you learn to tap this mechanism via deep meditation or what not. Either way it is neurological.

Every feeling you ever have is going to be biological in nature..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN3ggRgY7Ac

These reflect my feelings really well, joedirt. The word 'spiritual' has so many opposing meanings that I'm not even sure what it's intended to refer to in the poll.

If anything, the responses to this suggest to me that taking a stance on it one way or the other doesn't increase the likelihood of accessing the experience.

It also often sounds to me that often a misunderstanding of meditation states leads to attributing characteristics to these experiences that they don't have, in reality.

from "Sharpening Manjushri's Sword"

Why do we need to lock the word spiritual down? For all we know spiritual could encompass everything that anyone has every dreamed right?



Honestly the need to fix it into some little box is an attempt by our scientific based society to try and describe and explain everything away IMHO. The experience I had is simply beyond any explanation. My scientific brain knows that it was a drug interacting with my brain, but my entire being knows that I was blessed with an interaction with the divine.... Further more isn't the fact that our bodies are these finely tuned chemical factories pretty mystical in and of itself? Isn't the entire world around us in fact mystical?



To be perfectly honest. I think most people flat out lie about having the experience. I have done psychedelics 100's of times over the course of my life. I've had some very intense experiences both good and bad. But only when I had a firmly established meditation practice and went into the experience with a direct intent did it arrive.

Quite frankly I think most people claim to have this experience in an effort to justify their use of the drugs much like some marijuana users will claim marijuana has no addiction potential or that it is the cure for everything. I simply don't believe these experiences arise just because a person takes these drugs often and at high doses...in fact I think it may very well decrease their chances of having them. When I had my experience I wasn't on a heroic dose. It was 2.5 grams of cubensis. I have eaten much larger doses than that on numerous times. In fact I think large doses make it harder to get to because you can't really focus on the large doses. I thing the dose needs to be low enough that you can still function with direct intent and high enough that the right neural pathway's are opened. At least that's how it works for me.

At best I think many people experience is a vision of white light...which is pretty amazing, but it's not the same thing I experienced. This really isn't something that you see. The world white light is kinda of a misnomer. Not to be all cliche, but I don't really have words for it, but I prefer the Tibetan Buddhist word, 'clear light' over white light.

To be honest I can't fathom how someone could have the experience that I had and not walk way with a completely shattered world view and a belief that borders on knowing that there is something far greater than what we currently experience. I will admit that I do have doubts because it was drug induced, but since I also realize that drug or nor drug it's a property of our brains it leads me to believe it was the real deal. I had been actively practicing yoga meditation for years and had embraced Eastern philosophy to a degree, but quite frankly nothing could have prepared me for it and no scripture really did it justice, although I could see enough parallels to realize that it was the same experience.


I'm not saying these experiences can't happen per chance because certainly they can, but I sincerely believe that most of the reports about it are gross exaggerations.

Have you read this by any chance joe?

http://www.scientificame...e.cfm?id=psilocybin-book

This lady talks about a light as well but her experience isn't really similar to mine.. I also remember reading a psilocybin study that said most of its participants had mystical experiences. I think the problem is "mystical experience" can mean different things to different people. What *I* consider a mystical experience certainly isn't happening to a majority and may even be a once in a lifetime event.

I like to think of my white light experience as a ++++ on the Shulgin scale. "A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samādhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment."

The thing is though if you would of asked me if I had had a ++++ before this experience I would of said yes because I honestly thought I had. Now that I have had this experience I know nothing before it was a true ++++



See I'm just the opposite. I had no history with meditation nor was I familiar with any eastern philosophy. I started reading and practicing Kriya after the fact because like I said I had the distinct feeling that the white light was always accessible to me and I wanted to try to get their without drugs.

I was also very confused because I knew what happened to me some people spent an entire lifetime searching for. Why was it shown to me and I wasn't even looking for it? I almost felt undeserving to be honest.

I have seen it. I also agree that people have different mystical experiences. One man might be so moved watching an orchestra that he has a mystical experiences, while another man may have it watching a sunset. Some of us have had them via psychedelics. ystical experiences can run the range of cosmic cosciousness to just profound appreciation for nature. I don't feel like everyone that has a mystical experience has to claim they have had the same sensations and feelings....but we are talking more about merging with the divine clear light.



I fully agree. I also claimed ++++ experiences before this, but I was wrong..simply because I had not experienced it...




I'm certainly not saying that they don't arise spontaneously in people because obviously they do. I just think it's a lot more rare than claimed. I also think it is more likely to be accessed by those that do practice meditation...again it's just an opinion. People that have had this experience tend to relate it as a pinnacle life experience that was strong enough to effect a significant change in their lives...for instance in your case starting to practice up Kriya Yoga. I was also pulled to Kriya yoga from psychedelic experiences, but my Samadhi happened while practicing Kriya Pranayama on shrooms. For me the change is still occuring. I'm actively working to get out of my current way of life and get back to a more holistic way of living. Many changes have already taken place. I'm actively donating to charity's and events that I see as bettering the world. I'm not as inclined to just sit around and bitch about conspiracy theories because there is a part of me that realizes everything is exactly as it should be right now. My new world view is one were I'm just an actor. I want to figure out what my part is and play it to the best of my ability. If I wrap that statement in religious words you could say that I want to live my life by the will of God... I've also realized that fighting what I don't like is the wrong approach. the right approach is to support what I do like. one of the changes that has taken place is me finally giving up alcohol...only I didn't give it up. I decided that I wanted to live more healthy and with less mental baggage. For years I tried off and on to quit and yet never was able to...this time I made no effort at all and it just sort of happened. All of this I attribute to my use of psychedelics, but the Samadhi experience was the final catalyst for the major changes that I'm currently undergoing.

I agree... but I only had 9 options to create. So, for the sake of some semblance of impartiality, I chose four affirmatives, one neutral and four negatives. You raise a valid point and I almost wish I could go back in and edit my poll, as there are several choices still left empty and un-voted upon. Still, what can any humanoid do that is not fraught with imperfection?

Might you share some of the details of you own perception, your vision of the light? I strongly believe that as many minds witness this phenomenon, there are as many interpretations of it's essential nature. Please share a bit of your preceptory experiences, as in our collective efforts to define our reality, we grow as a community.

Great thread!

Rising Spirit - thank you for your pep talk! I think I have passed the initial 'curiosity' phase with salvia and spice, and have slowed down my usage quite a bit from when I first started extracting a year ago. Now, I am simply trying to let go (of my ego or individuality) as much as possible as I go into each experience. I do practice mental alchemy to a degree (but not to the extent of my wife pilotsimone, who is actually taking a year-long class). I do not meditate regularly...usually just a few minutes throughout the day here and there. I do tend to read and listen to eastern philosophies quite a bit...such as advaita gurus, alan watts, Tony Parsons, etc.

I would have actually selected a slightly different poll option...more like "looking for the white light/oneness, but haven't achieved it yet". I can't say I've really seen something luminous that felt like a cosmic consciousness. Perhaps tonight :-)

How about “enveloped in and melding with the oneness of All, but no white light”?

@joedirt, it definitely seems from the people I encounter in my own area who use psychedelics, to be more rare than the claims to it.

My first time coincided with my first high dose of LSD, after several moderate LSD experiences, two high dose mushroom experiences and several moderate dose mushroom experiences. The high dose mushroom sessions had left me with mystical experiences, including of an internal illumination, but not the white light experience.

It felt like I had touched a fire within myself that radiated love outward, while everything outside flamed with the exact some love inward until it all dissolved into completely impersonal, yet the most utterly personal love.

Blinding internal light does seem an integral part of the experience for me, but it appears as one of completely intelligence and benevolence.

SWIM has experienced the same with MDMA, ketamine, DMT and most recently MXE. During the come down, she often sees living figures of holy figures manifesting. Each come down, she sees everyone in her life acting as a divine teacher, a perfect expression of guidance and each of her acts as rituals bringing light down into the universe and binding it into manifestation.

That everything coordinated as a divine ballet where all of the participants develop as a expression of their performance probably delineates most the blissful white-out experiences and the white light experiences.

@rising spirit, thank you for the explanation of the poll.

"peak life experience" <- that's a great way to say it.



Once I was at that point where the two hands meet each other, and understood everything.

Wow, what excellent, thought provoking replies!



Thanx for sharing your enlightenment. I completely agree, an eternity can exist within a single second transpiring, so how long are we really spending in these transcendental states of consciousness? Outside of the parameters of time, who can truly say?

The light is often perceived in people's near-death experiences. Not just spiritually inclined folks but regular/normal folks, as well. So too, embracing the psychedelic journey puts the subjective witness of our dream of reality, into this range of death or the extinction of our ego (even if temporarily). Naturally, ego-death precedes the vision of The Light, as our mind is caught (frozen like a deer in the headlights), for a brief moment in time.

This opens up our preceptory awareness to something beyond our conceptual mentality, lingering in our periphery. Frankly, our mental fixation and our addiction to qualifying experience, are the single biggest barriers to this phenomenon being seen. As dawn surely follows nighttime, when we can stop our mind, we can shift our awareness to alternate levels of being. And yes, I believe that we all feel that when we have this light experience, we remember that we have always been this same light, internally. IMO, it is a fundamental aspect of our soul's anatomy.



Nicely written, Brother.

OK, so we can all reasonably come to some mutual consensus, that our perceptions are shaped by our neurochemistry. You are what you eat, right? Sages, shamans and contemplative mystics have spent millenniums devising various methodologies to alter their own brain-wave patterns, mental focus and the content of their interior awareness. Who could deny that this is a process that must naturally navigate itself through our neurological pathways? You nailed it spot on.

Truthfully, we cannot accurately put this phenomenon into the proper language, as we do not have the appropriate wording to classify any of this data. Arguably, the Vedantic Rishis had a specific system of terminology, by which to put these experiences into linguistic format. Without a doubt, it's really quite a fantastic and extremely specific system. Still, I personally do not want to have to continuously borrow from these Sanskrit terms, despite their beauty and intelligence. The very same ideas can and will find their place in our 21st century, western vernacular. I believe we are collectively on the cutting-edge of discovering this new language. Albeit, initially in small circles.

Like yourself and alonits, my psychedelic experiences forged the way for my involvement with Kriya Yoga, Sufism, Surat Shabd Yoga, Advaita and eventually the emptiness of Zen. Let's face it, we all want to have this kind of spiritual eclipsing 'naturally' and without the need for any psychedelics. It would still, likely be an activation based on chemical and neurological stimulation... but it would intentional and consciously directed by our own mind's comprehension of the interior mechanics of these mystical states.

I my own journey, I had been exposed to Buddhist meditation through Asian martial arts, as a mere slip of a boy, aged 16 years old. By this time, I was a regular marijuana smoker and I found the two where quite compatible, based on my understanding at the time. When I was 17 years old, I took up the popular meditation practice of TM (Transcendental Meditation), so I had been training my concentration and internal focus for a little over three years, before my first overpowering symbiotic immersion within The Light.

LSD had been the catalyst. I had the awakening of kundalini, perception of the activation of my chakras (psychic energy centers) and witnessed a flood of white light into my forehead. This light pulled my awareness into my crown center and I had my first taste of Samadhi, without any prior knowledge of this state of mind even existing. so, it was not a case of anticipation of projection, it was totally experiential. Later on the serious study would ensue. This journey of awakening will never end, as it has no beginning. :idea:

I believe that the length and duration of sacred medicines like LSD, mescaline and psilocybin, facilitates the gradual attunement to this level of being, yet, from my own experiences... DMT caused it almost instantly! I wouldn't rule out any 'enlightenment' under it's powerful rush. In my own case, I meditate deeply for a decent amount of time, prior to lift-offs. For myself, this makes the transition practically seamless (it's just a matter of degree and intensity).

I fully agree with your description that seeing the light is not just an optical reception, it is a deep understanding of the spiritual essence, the unfathomable nature of the Divine. It is an awakening of our realization that we are that same insubstantial force as the unseen source of our being. We are created by God as gods ourselves and therefore, we are free to return to our original face, our inherent Omnipotence. The light is the prototype, the blue print and template for all existence, consciousness and being. We exist is an infinity of light. Sometimes we are gifted with the vision of this enlightenment. We are birthed of this indivisibility and we return to this indivisibility. Just as naturally as inhaling and exhaling.

I do make one distinction from your wise assessment. The light is something I certainly do see. Not with my optical orbs, rather with my mind's eye, my singular eye. As the reference is to the EYE, not the idea or insight, we must consider why this thought form has had such an marked impression upon our species. The Eye of Horus was the ancient Egyptian symbolic translation of this luminous humanoid center of awareness and it is absolutely something which accompanies a vision of brilliant white light.

Inspired by Dr.s Timothy Leary, Richard Alpert and Ralph Metzner's 1964 spin on the Tibetan Book of the Dead, The Psychedelic Experience. I began to research the actual Tibetan Book of the Dead and the Egyptian Book of the Dead. For quite some time, I have favored the expression, The Clear Light of the Void. In terms of mindfulness, the light is exceedingly clear and reflects a sublime degree of clarity (to the witness of the phenomenon).

Still, when I have had my Samadhis, my Satoris, my Divine Raptures... they have been precipitated by the vision of an exponentially brightening point of blinding white light. This draws my awareness deeper into it's essence and propels my awareness into the crown of mind, the Godhead. The Omniself, if you will? This shatters any self-referencing or individuated subjectivity. As awareness expands beyond the limitations of self, immersing with the emptiness... no description can follow.

This can be reasonably be called a whiteout experience, as it is the total immersion within this great light. For when all is light and no darkness exists in our consciousness, how can one discern any light distinct from the continuum of lightness? Within this eclipsing of consciousness, a field of undifferentiated energy is perceived without the involvement of self. This is beyond the parameters of subjectivity, so nothing can be spoken about it. This insubstantial emptiness resides in the heart of everything, as nothingness. Truly a paradox! This plane of being is most certainly, the Clear Light of the Void.

Not exactly white, as in the description of it's color... for it's radiance contains all colors equally. Out of this 'whiteness', emanates the rainbow fractal patterns, which so proliferate the psychedelic experience. To be completely honest, the degree in which I literally SEE this light, is based on my symbiosis with psychedelics or extreme sadhana (spiritual exercises, controlled breathing or sensory deprivation). It will no doubt be quite the same when I die physically?

So as you stated, the combination of Sacred Medicine and meditation, pranayama and asana... invokes a profound peak experience in one's sentient lifetime. We are all practicing the present moments continuous unfoldment. We are forever basking in the light of this brilliant intelligence, this radiant Indivisibility. :idea:

That's what I was aiming for with #6. I believe that realistically, there could be 100 or more subtle variations in category, qualifying the experience of Oneness. This poll was intended to be specifically about the vision of an inner light and it's perception as a visual phenomenon to the eye of the subjective witness. I am in no way preaching that the human capacity to SEE the light indicates some ultimate reality or supreme destination, as that would be utter madness.

I submit that the visualization is not fabricated out of our imagination, rather, it is a neurological indicator that our Mind's Eye is activated. I prefer to conceive of this level of perception, as being a lens. This 'lens' allows one to see the inner light. It does not, however, indicate some plateau. from my vantage point, it is a doorway or perhaps a window into this immeasurable sea of light.

What you describe is the next level above and beyond this plane of light consciousness. "Melding with the Oneness of All" is the very Crown of human experience. To merge, meld, eclipse or immerse our consciousness within this indivisible plane, our subjectivity must face it's own nothingness and cease to stir. Zen Buddhists refer to this state as no mind. So, yes, as I wrote prior to this reply, when all is light... there is no counterpoint to allow for any subjective vision of the light. As we all know, light is dependent on darkness to have any definition, as do any polarities. How can there be any light or darkness, in such an unpolarized unified filed of of being? This implies that the is also no longer a separate witness to the the reality of the One. No subject-object to be qualified by isolated mind... an expanse of stillness, emptiness and void. :idea:

So, it is not the fruit of enlightenment, which I am polling here on the Nexus, rather, it is the white light itself, as seen by the psychonaut or shaman, which I am curious to hear of. This has been referenced by Sages for millenniums. ragabr's reply indicates this distinction. It is the Vedantic interpretation of how perception goes through transformation, as it passes into higher and still higher levels of awareness. In this specific case, the jhanas are the planes of consciousness which correlate to the various chakras within the physiology and auric body of human kind. It is meaningless without the conceptualization of the Yogic system and it's 7 planes of consciousness, regardless of the truth about these levels themselves.