I have been saying this for months now..I always have some grass extracting but havent come up with more than mildy active oxidish looking orange goo yet, but it is active..and distincly DMTish.

Im not sure that this pink grass is that you are referring to?

i have been successful somewhat with p. brachystachy...but growing enough grass can be rather tricky....needs more money for more seeds...but FASI on dlimo that was used to extract from 3 grams of grass DID work..it was dmt-ish but it lasted longer and was a bit different

once i have enough grass extract around i will try sublimating the stuff for PURE dmt

Why/when is it becoming illegal in Holland to buy bark?

that's some lovely looking grass.
as far as isolating the pure n,n, jorkest has the right idea. the boiling points are significantly different enough that sublimation would effectively separate n,n from gramine and 5-MeO. sublime, rinse the coldfinger with warm heptane, and freeze precip...voila...pure n,n.

great that your doing this Ya!
It truly is the future of this work.

Well I never got any memo . Where is this information coming from.

well, a dodgy crow has collected about a pound of fresh aquatica and is contemplating what to do next...
should he dry it, grind it, or freeze it? he may do the latter, but is up for suggestions

freeze that freeze thaw...i hear that drying the grass is not the best way to go...it somehow reduces the yield from what info there is out there....or you could juice the grass...but the freeze thaw freeze thaw method seems to work....im gonna go colllect some phalaris today and get to work...im unsure as to wha tstrain i have found but i might as well get to work

Better freeze and extract when ready; SWIM had very limited success with dried phalaris.

ok..freeze/thaw it is.

Does that mean that SWIM did have success with phalaris that they froze? Did SWIM extract crystals?

heres some idea:
wheat grass juicer. There is some article on erowid about the employment of such an instrument:
http://www.amazon.com/We...-Stainless/dp/B0017TP7C4

theres an example

run a bunch of fresh material through that, acid, defat, base + naptha(shouldnt take over as much gramine.)

and go from there.... prolly sublimation

funny you mention a wheat grass juicer...i recently harvested about 300g(didnt weigh) phalaris arun. that i have had growing outside my house for a few years(i planted the seeds so im positive on the ID)..then i ran all of it through a wheat grass juicer for about half a cup of liquid(which is much easier to deal with...i then basified with sodium hydroxide(im hoping gramine doesnt like high ph's but who knows?

then i added dlimonene and now all i have to do is separate and FASI the dlimo(ive lost my turkey baster somewhere)

the reason i did not defat is because Phlux- showed me a thread on another forum somewhere and it seems when they defatted the phalaris...that some of the dmt got pulled out in the fats...so i figure the FASI step will do the separation just fine(ive had success with it with brachystachy)

one thing i have noticed is that after juicing the grass and basifying it..the liquid separates into two layers...the bottom looks like green plant sludge which im guessing is chlorophyll and the other layer is a clear dark burgundy type color...then the yellow dlimo layer

when i first put the dlimo in and mixed...it was very cloudy after it separated...but its been sitting for about a week(still cant find my damn baster) and has cleared up tremendously...so after i pull the dlimo out im going to let it sit for awhile for any fine particles to settle out..then i will carefully decant and filter the dlimo and then add FASI..and see what happens

if im able to get around 200-300mg of something i will try to sublimate it(have yet to set the system up but really excited..had the stuff for a few years now)

ok so i pulled off the dlimo and filtered through a coffee filter just to make sure...then added about 3-4ml of FASI...first dropped there was immediate clouding..YAY...and now after a few hours there is some precips floating near the bottom of the jar..im gonna let it sit for awhile and see if it will stick...

i also just setup a small hydroponic system with an air pump and tubing and a bubbler type thing ..with some plastic pots with those clay ball things and dumped about a gram of some phalaris aquatica seeds onto it..and in another pot i put some questionable brachystachy seeds(unsure if they really are brachystachy) once they grow i will find out as i have some growing in soil and outside..

the brachy that i have growing now im going to let go to seed...so i can get more...but i have a feeling this hydrosystem is gonna work great for these grasses...lots of nitrogen right to the plant...and also i grew some wheatgrass a few years ago in plain water and they loved it...so hopefully this works

will continue to update as things progress

I hope it works.

exciting!

Instead of all of those defat's people are doing, why not just throw a dash of activated carbon in there? Wouldn't that work?

^how does that work?

Im sick of all the deffats I do on the grass..I dont even like using naptha but for my grass teks i need the stuff to defat and its such a waste..what does carbon do to eliminate defats?

Until I can get a good supply of limo and fumeric acid here im stuck with trying to work out a tekwith defats or else find an alternative.

carbon has an extremely high surface area, it is so pourous that a teaspoon as a surface area of like a square mile, or something similar. This makes it an awesome filtering material.

letting charcoal float around in a solution will slowly pull out the heavier, less abundant molecules. Fats would definitely have a high affinity for this carbon, aswell chlorophyll. Sticky, gaaky things like it. Generally carbon filtering is going to take out a small percentage of everything disolved in a given solvent, though it likes larger molecules better. This makes it excellent at taking out small amounts of impurities from a solution.

swim wonders: how much will it take to suck out all that fat, and how effective and how useful it will be for this specific case?

its worth a try. its great stuff. It should like the fat.

edit: also, its good to use dilute product when passing through charcoal. swim suggests:
wheatgrass juice dat shiat
dilute to 2-3x volume, something more dilute but manageable. or simply pour the juice junk on the carbon and wash the carbon out with some extra water.
pass through carbon filter(brita filter, washed carbon in a filter/funnel) or throw some WASHED carbon in, let it stir on that, or sit for a while then filter it nice.

This shouldn't be a bad thing. Thats gona help getting chlorophyl out a LOT. proably take multiple runs for satisfaction. definitely worth looking into, especially hearing about that gooey juice gaak