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null24
#1 Posted : 5/7/2019 2:41:41 PM

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I'm just going to leave this here. It's a truly interesting case, involving a misguided individual. There are some lessons there, at least on what NOT to order on eBay. Not quite sure what else to say about this story, other than i doubt this defense is going to work...
Was an entertaining read over coffee this morning...


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Jason Paul Schaefer, the 27-year-old charged with igniting explosives in a cigarette pack as two members of the FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force moved in to arrest him in October 2017, directly questioned the lead agent in the case as his trial got underway Monday.

FBI agent and bomb technician Wade Mutchler testified that he believed Schaefer intended to kill himself and harm two officers when they moved in to arrest him on Oct. 11, 2017

“We’re all going to die today,’’ Schaefer reportedly told the two officers before he ignited a Camels cigarette pack filled with the explosive Triacetone Triperoxide, or “TATP,’’ in the front seat of his white Honda CRV, federal prosecutor Natalie Wight told jurors in her opening statement.

The explosion tore off two fingers on Schaefer’s left hand. Part of Schaefer’s blown-off fingers hit Washington County Sheriff’s Detective Jeremy Chedester, who was temporarily deafened from the blast, according to Wight.

Schaefer has pleaded not guilty to two counts of assaulting a federal officer, using a destructive device, using an explosive to commit a federal felony, carrying an explosive during the commission of a federal felony, unlawful transportation of explosive materials, possessing an unregistered destructive device and being a felon in possession of explosives.

Schaefer has signaled that he intends to argue that the chemicals found at his Rock Creek apartment were part of his home lab where he was working to make a drug called ibogaine to treat opioid addiction.


Mutchler testified that he sought a federal search warrant for Schaefer’s Rock Creek home in the fall of 2017 after the FBI was informed by an online retailer that Schaefer had ordered a large number of hazardous chemicals.

Mutchler said he was particularly concerned that Schaefer, a convicted felon, had ordered electric match igniters, which are regulated and require licenses to hold, and remote firing detonators, which are commonly used in homemade bombs.

Before the task force executed the search warrant on Oct. 11, 2017, Mutchler had arranged for Schaefer to be at an 11 a.m appointment with his Washington County probation officer that day. When Schaefer arrived at the appointment, Mutchler informed him of the search warrant and asked if there were any booby-traps in his unit.

Schaefer said there were not and soon left the appointment.

Members of the FBI task force and bomb technicians began searching Schaefer’s apartment.

They found Schaefer had converted a bedroom into a makeshift chemistry lab, Wight said. In a hallway closet, they found a red locker-type cabinet with black explosive powder inside, an electric match igniter and an antenna protruding from the cabinet.

Mutchler described the discovery as an incinerator that could be remotely detonated to set a fire. Since Schaefer was a convicted felon, he wasn’t allowed to have the electric match, so Mutchler instructed Schaefer’s probation officer to obtain a warrant to arrest him...

...By day’s end, authorities had found 96 other electric matches in Schaefer’s apartment, hazardous chemicals and a book on his living room table that contained a recipe for the hallucinogenic drug LSD. They also raided two storage units Schaefer had. One held a single red box, which contained two bags of the TATP explosive, Mutchler said.

In phone calls to his father from jail, Schaefer admitted igniting the cigarette pack but said he didn’t want to hurt officers, Wight told jurors. He also said officers should have known not to approach his car...

...Schaefer also told his father, “I decided to die because I wanted to get on the news,’’ according to Wight. He shared with his father that he’d been running a large-scale drug lab out of his apartment to create a drug to cure opioid addictions, Wight added.

During his cross-examination of Mutchler, Schaefer asked if it was proper protocol for officers of the FBI-led task force to approach someone suspected of having explosives. “Wouldn’t best practice to be protection?’’ Schaefer asked.

“After you exploded that device in your hand’’ Mutchler testified, “ I did everything in my power to keep you and those around you safe.’’

Schaefer asked if electric matches are regulated explosives and require a license to possess. Mutchler said they are.

“Yet these regulated explosives are being sold on Amazon and eBay without licenses,’’ Schaefer continued. “Obviously, I purchased them from eBay, right?’’

Mutchler said Schaefer bought them via eBay from China.

“Are they still being sold on Amazon and eBay?’’ Schaefer asked.

Mutchler said that matter is something a local ATF agent was told to investigate further.

Schaefer had Mutchler review a September 2017 FBI report, which said Schaefer wasn’t a threat to national security and was believed to be making drugs. Mutchler testified that the report stemmed from an April 2017 encounter with Schaefer, after he had dumped about a half-pound of mercury on the ground near his Beaverton apartment and threatened to harm property managers who he had said were entering his garage. When officers arrived, they found Schaefer, a convicted felon, wearing body armor in violation of state law. Beaverton police arrested him, and he was prosecuted in Washington County...

...That April 2017 FBI assessment didn’t take into account the new information about all the chemicals Schaefer had purchased online, Mutchler said.

Schaefer asked if his probation officer had shared with Mutchler that he was producing chemicals related to the narcotic ibogaine, which he believed was a cure for opioid addiction.

“She told me you were interested in ibogaine,’’ Mutchler said.

“She never told you I had a laboratory?’’ Schaefer asked.

“She told me she was afraid to go in your apartment.’’

-- Maxine Bernstein


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Tony6Strings
#2 Posted : 5/7/2019 3:31:03 PM

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That's crazy Null. Thank you for sharing.
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#3 Posted : 5/7/2019 4:28:29 PM

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Tbh that guy is just stupid and good form him to land in jail for his own safety. TATP is not a very stable explosive and it should never be stored in large amounts since it can decompose and explode just like that if not cooled.
Also that whole story with him blowing himself up...
Also that excuse "I just wanted to cook drugs not explosives"
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This guy really like explosives. Good police workSmile Hope he doesn't get out or that he has an enormous shift in conciousness! xD
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What an idiot.
 
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#6 Posted : 5/7/2019 6:41:09 PM

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Good police work

I don't think there is such a thing. Just sayin...

Lucky police work maybe.
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Good police work

I don't think there is such a thing. Just sayin...

Lucky police work maybe.

I wouldn't say that.

I don't know what the situation is like in the united states and the shooting incidents there that make the international headlines maybe give the impression sometimes, of an often unproffesional organisation.

But here in the netherlands, and i don't think we're that unique, the police may not always be your best friend but they sure as hell aint idiots.

The national police here is a rather large organisation with many different departments and units. And especially the people in these specialised units tend to be highly motivated professionals who realy know what they're doing.

For any criminal or terrorist, to underestimate them would be a huge mistake.
 
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I wouldn't say that.

I know, but i do and mean it. ACAB.
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ACAB.

Yes. And some of them are bastards who catch killers, rapists or terrorists everyday.
 
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#10 Posted : 5/8/2019 2:49:53 PM

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Like you said dragonrider, things are a bit different here stateside. I don't exactly cheer anymore when I see headlines about more murdered police, but it would be a lie to say I never did.
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Megalomaniac delusions, and unfortunately, he gives a bad look to communities like ours. And only as a selfish attempt to divert attention from his real intentions, activities and crimes. The FBI are usually intelligent enough to see that difference for a fact but, you'd be lucky if that sort of discretion were enforced.
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More on the case

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After struggling with depression and anxiety most of his life, abusing heroin, surviving multiple drug overdoses and attempted suicides, Schaefer said he was trying to “do something meaningful,’’ but also considered the chemical substances he was concocting as a possible “way out’’ to end his life.

Schaefer, a New York native, told jurors how his parents sent him at age 22 to a clinic in Africa, where he was treated with ibogaine, a naturally occurring psychoactive substance found in plants called Tabernanthe iboga and Voacanga Africana. The court reporter asked Schaefer to slow down and spell the plants’ names.

Considering that the plants are endangered, he said he tried to make the compound himself and was experimenting with multiple substances. He said he shared his efforts with his Washington County probation officer.


“I wanted to help others conquer their addiction,’’ he said.

While other countries have used ibogaine to treat addictions, it remains illegal in the United States.

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Schaefer also queried an agent from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives about how easily he was able to order electric matches via eBay from a company in China.

ATF agent Anthony Schodowski, also assigned to the Portland-based Joint Terrorism Task Force, testified that the matches are considered a regulated explosive requiring a federal explosives license or permit, and Schaefer didn’t have any approval to possess them.

In Schaefer’s apartment, authorities found 98 electric matches, which are customarily used to electrically ignite fireworks. Schaefer said he had no idea the devices weren’t legal to possess.


Schaefer pointed out that eBay today continues to sell batches of electric matches, which cost between $16 and $35, without requiring federal licenses from buyers.

The ATF had reached out to eBay in 2013, advising the company that electric matches are regulated and it’s required that a seller ensures a buyer has a federal license or permit to obtain them, Schodowski said

Schaefer asked him if eBay has ever been prosecuted for unlawfully permitting the sale of the regulated explosive.

Schodowski said he didn’t know.


A lot of you guys have applauded the police and insinuated that this guy was a terrorist or the equivalent. I can't agree. He sounds surely unstable and troubled, but it also sounds like he was unable to get help (insurance!), had some weird hobbies, made a self-igniting evidence-destruction cabinet with stuff eBay sold him and is being railroaded.

Don't misconstrue what I'm saying as condoning his activities, the guy is truly an idiot, but i think he needs mental health help, not decades of federal prison time.

I think people in Europe have a very different ideological and real-life relationship with law enforcement that we do here in the land of the jailed.
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null24 wrote:

A lot of you guys have applauded the police and insinuated that this guy was a terrorist or the equivalent. I can't agree. He sounds surely unstable and troubled, but it also sounds like he was unable to get help (insurance!), had some weird hobbies, made a self-igniting evidence-destruction cabinet with stuff eBay sold him and is being railroaded.

Don't misconstrue what I'm saying as condoning his activities, the guy is truly an idiot, but i think he needs mental health help, not decades of federal prison time.

I think people in Europe have a very different ideological and real-life relationship with law enforcement that we do here in the land of the jailed.


Fully agree with you here, not a terrorist, just a troubled young man.

But weird hobbies becomes something dangerous with serious consequences very quickly when you blow your hand off (consequences like losing your hand) while carrying an explosive device on your person in your vehicle.

I agree if the motive and intent isn't there, should not be treated as a terrorist and put in federal prison. But despite that, serious actions have serious consequences, no matter what you do. It's a shame it had to go as far as it did, but at least no one else got hurt. Hopefully this fellow can get the help he needs, and hopefully he will choose to receive it or at least somehow be more receptive than he was in the past.
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