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Vm&p naphtha vs. heptane / Ca(OH)2 vs. NaOH Options
 
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#1 Posted : 5/6/2019 8:21:09 PM

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First tek is was successful. A/b. 100g hmrb. 120 ml vinegar. 100ml water. 80g calcium hydroxide. 100g vm&p Namp. Clear/white yield. If I were to sub out for sodium hydroxide and heptane(bestine). What would change in the process. Heating plate big pot warm bath at 300•. 10 mins of vm&p heated in a mason jar and a wrapped pie warming on top. Ten mins of mixing the solv over the heat. 30 min of evaporating the solv. Extract over the heated pot. All at 300•. It gets cookn but worked very well for the first step.
Would the yield be yellow after the substitutions? If so how would it effect the experience?
 

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#2 Posted : 5/6/2019 9:43:34 PM

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First tek is was successful. A/b. 100g hmrb. 120 ml vinegar. 100ml water. 80g calcium hydroxide. 100g vm&p Namp. Clear/white yield. If I were to sub out for sodium hydroxide and heptane(bestine). What would change in the process. Heating plate big pot warm bath at 300•. 10 mins of vm&p heated in a mason jar and a wrapped pie warming on top. Ten mins of mixing the solv over the heat. 30 min of evaporating the solv. Extract over the heated pot. All at 300•. It gets cookn but worked very well for the first step.
Would the yield be yellow after the substitutions? If so how would it effect the experience?

The temperature as written is highly ambiguous. Did you mean 300K, 300°F, or maybe 30°C? What does "It gets cookn" mean?

Did you freeze precipitate to obtain your yield, or merely evaporate the solvent?

Heptane is basically a highly purified fraction of naphtha, it's not that different from VM&P naphtha.

Are you aware that using sodium hydroxide would mean you'd be working with a highly caustic sludge rather than the slightly corrosive dough of a calcium hydroxide drytek? You may find you'd rather be adding the caustic soda to a rather greater volume of water. This, of course, implies using a container of sufficient size, as well as having some means of separating the naphtha layer from the caustic sludge layer below.

Most importantly, you'd want to have the requisite PPE - eye protection is indispensable and decent rubber gloves are highly desirable. (If this seems obvious to you, it seems necessary to me to state it because, frankly, your entire question could have been answered with a little search.)


The hotter you do your pulls, the more likely it is your product will be yellow. Yellow DMT is, from an analytical point of view, practically indistinguishable from white DMT. Experientially, subjective differences most likely arise purely from placebo effects although some have speculated that (undefined) 'oils' may affect the exact dynamics of vaporization and/or absorption to some perceptible degree. Given the diverse and largely unpredictable nature of DMT's visionary effects along with its intensity, I'd be very surprised - not to mention, impressed - if you were able to define some clear correlation between specific visionary outcomes and the colour of your extract.




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#3 Posted : 5/7/2019 3:47:43 AM

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300 F yes. Protective gear yes. Ventilation yes. Freezer precipitation yes. Extremely successful method so far.. mostly long clear crystals. it just seems like a lot of heat is all I was saying. Most people use croc pots I couldn’t find any examples of doing it with a heating plate and pot of water. I know that sodium hydroxide is nasty yes. I would rather do a cybmaxion with the subs mentioned. Was asking if this current a/b with this heating method would be altered with the switch out. Everything online about the color is condescending. People saying it’s from heat. People saying it’s from heptane over Vm&p. People saying it’s from sodium hydroxide over calcium hydroxide. Also everyone seems to say the experiences are vastly different from one another. Also condescending info there too.
 
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#4 Posted : 5/8/2019 11:51:09 PM

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300°F sounds far too hot. What were you pulling with before, diesel fuel?

Sodium hydroxide at that temperature will start to attack glass and the glaze of ceramics. Dial it down a bit, the boiling point of heptane is 98°C (F=(Cx9/5)+32, work it out) so you'll just be boiling off expensive solvent.

There's plenty of useful information about the colour of DMT to be gleaned here at the Nexus. Your stating that everything online about the colour is condescending says more about your attitude than anything. Once you really grasp the principles behind extracting you'll be able to transcend your colour-by-numbers approach.

Good luck.




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