Yes for sure, we all share somthing in common, probly lots of things in common. Its a friendly place here, where I come to chat with friends. I like it here and I like you people. Somtimes I like throwing a spanner in to see what comes out.

As far as I know nobody that uses The Nexus has yet ventured down the IV or IM path. I suspect that the reason for that is deep down we know its not really necessary.

Years ago when I first encountered DMT it was a brown sticky substance looking much more like ear wax than anything else. It worked the same way as the stuff we all know, but was tarry, sticky or syrupy not salty crystals. After my first experiaments with it, I decided I needed to know as much as I could about the stuff. I read Strassman and thought yes that is the way to go. I went down my local pharmacy picked up some sharps and ran home to have a dig. I have had plenty of experiance with sharpes and had no qualms what so ever about cooking the stuff up in a spoon just like smack. However I couldn't get the stuff to desolve and quickly abandoned the idea.

Since then my knowledge of the chemistry has increased. I'm damn sure now, I could cook the stuff up in a flash if I desired to. But now I know lots more about what is possible with the spice and see IV or IM addministration to be totally pointless. You wont get any further into hyperspace, just risk harming yourselves.

If any of us here at The Nexus do pluck up the courage to poke the stuff be prepared to have me saying in a friendly kind of concerned way, "Reckless idiots". But none the less, sure as shit, I will be very interested to here all about your dreams.

You really don't have any interest to see how the experience would differ?

This is an Australian thing, but these changa blends making their way around can vary sooo much. When you're smoking mostly that, who knows what dmt is, all the differing blends can take you somewhere completely different but at the same time they're all fascinating.

What interests me is how the 'medicinal' aspect of iv dmt seems to enter the experience, and even though it may seem cold and undesirable, I, myself, am still interested to someday see this side of it. Who wouldn't want to experience an alien encounter!?!?

all my point is is that every experience is different, and different methods of ingestion act differently, so if experience something in every different way possible is your aim, than how is it totally pointless?

In some ways I don't see anything wrong with spearing d although it's not something I'd bother to do. You could argue that it circumvents damage to the throat and lungs etc. What I'd like to know is whether injecting the impure chem would have a markedly more damaging effect on the body than smoking it?

You also could argue that it's damn stupid to ingest (by any method) illegal chems that have all ultimately been cooked up and not put through rigorous testing! But, of course, all all of us on here believe that the physical, mental etc risks are worth the effects.

I think this is a good point:

"But now I know lots more about what is possible with the spice and see IV or IM addministration to be totally pointless. You wont get any further into hyperspace, just risk harming yourselves."

..but I don't have the experience to say. Most importantly I think would be to not attempt to do it yourself. Personally I'd see it as an unnecessary hassle, but if I was a physical purist I might be more open to it.

I have read Strassman, then really studied and re-read Srassman a number of times, trying to glean as much information as I could about his experiaments. I have also done shed loads of spice in all manner of various ways. I've played with the dosages, settings, mind states and combinations with other compounds, molecules etc, Iv'e been very thorough in a fairly haphazard and non scientific manner. After all of that, I am totally familiar with break through experiances and hyperspace travel. I have been to all the places Strassman's guinnea pigs went to and Iv'e been there more often. Comparing what I know, with what Strassman found, I really don't think IV addministration can offer anything new.

Changa is somthing totally different. Of course thats going to vary from one batch to the next. Differing add mixtures in varying amounts will always affect the resulting trip. But this thread was talking about IV addministration of DMT, one compound. Weather its smoked or poked it will remain one compound. Once it passes into the brain, its not going to behave any differently just because it entered the blood through a different point.

I see what you're saying, but still I have no doubt it would behave differently
Eating mdma, snorting it, or poking it are all different, particularly in manner and intensity it comes on with. Also, with iv mdma you can actually start to trip (visually) in a way that you'll never get to if you stick to eating or snorting it

aaanyway, i respect your comment, it seems you know what works for you

never ived dmt but swim has ived amt and 5 meo amt multipele times and it is very very intense and as expected with amt causes lots of vomitting but swim was seeing massive colored tentacles shooting from thier mouth as thew threw up swim said it was pretty cool and if you not opposed to intravenus use swim would definately recomend it as far as dmt though not sure

also swim told me that iv ketamine si the absolute only way to do it the universe will unfold

People shoot up way nastier things then dmt people are extracting assuming its a nice product. Although why bother some guy i know would rather just freebase it. as far as needle stigma goes yea its just another way of administering a drug just be safe of course. Although IM of ketamine is the only way to go imo. Many years back this was tried. Snorting it is a waste i tell people but everyone thinks im crazy for booting it. whatever there loss.

iv ketamine is way better than im

yea it makes sense it comes on harder and gives a more intense experience. but for personal reasons this guy would not want to do it. saw too many people turn into pin cushions so to speak... .once you get over the fear of sticking something into your veins you must be very aware of what you stick in your veins..

that is very true i became a pin cushion so to speak for a good 6 years dont know how i made it through it

well glad to hear you did! theres too many people out there who i see losing some of these battles all the time...without much help from their communities and other social support systems (families who dont want to face it being one of the major ones). anyway i think the overall lesson is drugs are not inherently bad its the misuse thats bad.