I dont know why people still go on about this even after we have been advised by myans in a position of knowledge that it really doesnt mean that much. So who knows better, the myan decendant with his lineage of knowledge or a heap of people in the west reading doomsday books written by idiots. I think deep down we just all love a good doomsday story but like other holywood catalysed myths (davinci code etc) the bigger it gets the more annoying it gets. When you hear about 2012 from some fool in front of you in a queue you know its gone too far. I think its a bit of a cop out to say this "change" will be gradual because then it can't be discredited or proven so whats the point in mentioning it, but then why such an exact date? All calendars end even ours. Why can't people see that.

For the record..I am a firm believe that this thing IS happening..whatever this thing is. I just prefer these days to distance myslef from the whole 2012 lable thing becasue it seems to go nowhere and alot of people seem to even put words into the mouths of the mayans..saying things that they dont say and even deny. I dont think something is going to happen..I think that we are already going through it..No other culture that we know of on earth has been in the situation that we are in now..

You dont have to look far to see that our culture is on the edge of something big, where ever is is that it is taking us..and from where I stand science and technology are the most obvious indicators of that(and I concider psychedelics a technology)..the things that WILL be possible when they can resequence photons and nanotechnology is a normal everyday thing will make us look like freakin cavemen technologically..I dunno who said it but someone said something like the technology of the future will be indistinguishable from magic..

I am all for conciousness expansion and everything and I think that through full expression of our DNA we can also do some amazing things but even with that..technology is what is now allowing us to even convieve of what DNA is and what it may be able to do..Our deveolpment as a culture seems to go hand in hand with the development of technology..

It's scary becasue if humanity thinks they can move into the next level of technological culture and not change themselves and start working together and focus on more things like love and compassion than shit we are all screwed..here in america it seems technology = weapons which is a dead end..

Does it really matter what it is that connects us? Whats the difference between something like telepathy as a biological thing or as some new technology if it brings us closer to each other..its not the methods that really matter in the end but the outcome..we always seem to fuck around and try to use technology against eachother but I am more optimistic about it lately becasue noe matter how hard governments try they are failing. Thinks like the internet are making communication much easier and making the real info more availbale and the government cannot do a damn thing about it seems. That should stand for something. Technology is not going away..and as much as the governments would like to use it for their own benifit it seems to be backfiring in so many ways..

If it were not for the internet and technology we would not be here to discuss this stuff at all..we would be limited to only people in our general area..but because of the net like minded people from anywhere on the planet can come together and discuss any damn thing they want, no matter how taboo..even in places like china, the interenet blocks to certain informaiton the goverment attempts to put up are always bypassed and the freeworld that is the internet lives on..

40 years ago when leary was talking about VR and technology, what we have today was nothing more than a pipe dream..and just look at where we are now.

I came up with something.

Maybe T McKenna made it all up knowing it would get people hyped and motivate them to do something. Maybe he even did this subconsciously without realizing it. If anything happens thats what it will be. No astrology no mythical hocus pocus. Just humans thinking its about time to do something for whatever mythological or truthful reasons they may have.

I think Mckenna looked around and saw how the world was changing..

Reading his books it becomes quite apparent he was very well versed in history, especially art hisotry..he was facinated with philosophical persuits and was well read in terms of the many great philosophers througout history..

Taking that into concideration..it's not hard to see why he took a look at the time we are in now and saw something new..something that sets the 20th century apart from anything that came before it..whatever that really means I dont think we can know just yet.

I dont think Mckenna was the type of person to come to conclusions..if you go read his books and listen carefully to what he was saying, he was telling people to NOT take his word for it..and I dont think he really took himself all that seriousily either..he was simply putting his ideas out there..

He really was a very open minded individual...people associate him with aliens and UFO type of people..but that was only ONE of the ideas he put out there as to what all this MAY be..he was just a free thinker with lots of ideas that he wanted to share with others and have them test them out.

It would be funny if all the supermarkets went empty on dec 20th 2012

I think that 2012 will happen

...and 2013, 14, 15 and so on.

It will keep on going until the last brain who is conscious of the abstract concept
of time as earth spins in relation to our star divided in into bits like seconds, minutes,
hours, days, weeks and so on withers away.

Or the concept is lost to another concept.

What is a year anyway?

It never ends...it just keeps on spinning.

I think all the myths just feed the minds of people interested in profit, future seeing. It used to feed my mind also, but i found that its really all just BS, much information, only speculation. Many facts twisted into none fact. Like nostradamus, i used to think he was amazing predicting the future, untill i found how none of his predictions are even timed, there just random indirect phrases that eventualy something happens in reality and you can find one phrase and interpret the way you want to make it fit to an event. I know some will disagree, but thats just how i see it, and to me how it is.

And for times changing, big change is always been a big part of humanity, its not odd that there is big change going on, there's never not big change going on, i think thats just what you get with a species evolving in intelligence.

I really hope they figure out life extension before i die, and organ production, i would like to see the future 1000 years froms now, being we survive. Thats why i would hate to be froze to see the future, might not ever get to wake up if we die off, then you just have your life cut shorter. Maybe we should plan to in the future use robots to house our brains, No musscle decay in space travel!!! Just oil up and don't get stiff, grow brains instead of kids, put the new brain in its robot housing. Anything is possible

Mother Brain!?!? Sexy=)

I dunno if you can really compare terrences ideas of 2012 to nostradomus...

Two completely different things...

Alot of the 2012 stuff that we hear about these days though yes, I can see where that comparison fits..

Terrence's ideas are misinterpreted by most people as prophecie IMO..I dont think that is what he was getting at at all..and I think that they way many people see him and his ideas today, and thewhole 2012 thing would be his great let-down...he's probly rolling over in his grave..

What he was saying was waayyyy beyond the scope of what these 2012 threads usually get into..

In some ways 2012 is a sort of self fullfullfilling prophecie..thats what it seems to be becomming..people are conciousily creating a part of it...but the most interesting thing for me is the idea that technology is taking us somewhere..and that technology may just be out way out of the technological mess we are already sitting in..

His ideas on language I think have something to do with it as well...but lets not get into that one here..

Exactly. That's all any of this stuff is. The future cannot be foretold.

One time on a very strong mushroom trip, SWIM heard voices from the “mushroom spirit”. SWIM doesn’t really believe in such stuff but thought it would be fun to talk with this manifestation. He asked the “mushroom spirit” about events in the future. The spirit said many things and all of them happened with complete accuracy, but in addition, the spirit said, “the future is not created yet, and can always be altered. I can only give you a prediction based on all the molecules and their current path in the universe. It’s much like a weather report. I can judge the most likely pathway for the molecules to take, but there are forces in the universe that can always alter the course.”

ha mushrooms are good at that ron!

Wow, where these things somewhat predictable by you yourself, or beyond something you could predict yourself? I'm very interested to know...that could open shut doors back up for me depending on the things predicted.

Cheeto, there is no way of knowing. It could have all just been a coincidence in that particular case. SWIM did not ask questions that were impossible to guess.

There is more to it though. It explained in great detail that it existed in many parts of the universe and that its mycelium was its physical manifestation, and that its spirit is a single spirit millions of years old, and like its mycelium, its spirit spanned across the universe. It said it could make very precise calculations because it existed for millions of years as a single entity and has experienced nearly all possible changes in reality. It said that all the predictions it made were simple mathematical predictions based on the current position of all the molecules in the universe, like how whether is predicted, but on a much larger scale. It said it was aware of the position and movement of nearly every molecule that exists in the entire universe and could easily predict the changes in the patterns of the universe, but said it was never 100% accurate. It said there are spiritual forces in the universe that can dramatically alter the path the universe is currently on.

I think SWIM heard these imaginary “mushroom spirit” voices because at the time he was reading work by Terrence McKenna.

This Emmeric dude first made a movie about a lizard that grew more than a hundred meters tall as a result of french nuclear tests, and that swum to new york to tear the city apart.

Then he made a movie about climate change, where the sea level rises with 70 metres in one single day leading to a tsunami that hit's new york without destroying it and without flooding the library. Followed by giant hurricane's the size of a continent that freeze everything in a mere second to below polar temperatures.

But in 2012 he manages to actually dwarf all these previous disasters.
Here, as a result of the lining of the planets, the earth's crust imlodes making the entire state of california plumeth into a great big hole.
Fortunately, some smart people manage to build some giant arc's to save mankind. They have these huge ships sitting somewhere near the top of mount everest and they'd manage to calculate exactly that a huge tsunami would engulf the himalaya's and lift these ships of the ground to take it with it to open sea.
And that's how mankind got saved.

In the next movie, a huge squirrel is gonna eat the sun, i suppose.

Here's some new to me 2012 information, a prediction made by NASA. I watched a show explaining how even the government is planing on this one being true, building many many underground living areas for the government and rich people. The show suggests that all power will be knocked out, and the government and rich plan on going underground and letting us kill each other off. I know its another conspiracy theory, but they actually are building these underground areas, and they are for the government and rich for 2010-2012, and they do have security, and will not let uninvited people in if chaos breaks out. They could prepare to prevent it from being a big problem some say, but they would rather save themselves and reduce population....some say. Anyone know any futher information on this conspiracy or story??

Heres a NASA article :10mar_stormwarning.htm

You can bet they have been planning this for a long time...it's no wonder so many people HATE our governments.

The chaos is not that far fetched..remember new orleans..

This is very depressing.

That's an interesting article about solar storms, but I couldn't find the part about the underground bunkers for rich people. Could you enlighten me?

Pokey the Stupid

Lovely article from 2006
Thanks for the heads up.

Well, i just saw it on a show. But i found something on the bunkers, and an update to the solar storm warning(2009).

Bunker stuff

Solar Storm

Hmmm....

She says "some say" and "there are many rumors on the web" an awful lot in that article.....

2012 has become a cottage industry! All kinds of people trying to make a living off it.

Guess we'll all see soon enough. Until then I think I'll keep enjoying each moment like it's my last; never know, it just might be!

Pokey the Blissfully Ignorant