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#1 Posted : 11/25/2009 3:08:43 PM

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Would there be any benefit to having harmala alks in tincture form as opposed to powdered form. I noticed some vendors have started offering their harmalas in tincture form. Does a tincture store better? Or is it just convenience (not having to weigh out milligrams)

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#2 Posted : 11/25/2009 3:44:29 PM

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It is theorized that alcohol breaks download Harmaline into Harmala Red, a possibly non-active compound.

It is also said to break down harmaline into harmine, undesirable for some.

Tinctures work but why risk it for storage?

Here is a source for little amber bottles:

http://www.sks-bottle.co...les/Glass_Bottles_2.html

They keep out the light & provide a good seal. Great for storing Harmala powder!

I personally prefer the "Amber Glass Round Bottles w/ Black Cone Lined Caps"

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#3 Posted : 11/25/2009 4:16:00 PM

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It's only harmaline that degrades to harmala red. Harmaline's pretty nasty stuff compared to the other two so I'm not too worried about losing it. I'm not even sure if harmala red is inactive.

So if you see a caapi tincture with THH and Harmine in alcohol, the product should be fine. I'm not sure if it has any difference other than convenience though.
 
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#4 Posted : 11/25/2009 4:23:32 PM

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So if you see a caapi tincture with THH and Harmine in alcohol, the product should be fine. I'm not sure if it has any difference other than convenience though.


Have you heard of of an alcohol extract or homemade tincture done with caapi?

Seems like a soak & evap would yield a decent full-spectrum concentrate.
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#5 Posted : 11/25/2009 4:32:04 PM

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Yeah it's quite common.

They sell one at flowing visions, but it's a bit pricey for my liking.
 
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CosmicLion wrote:
soulfood wrote:
So if you see a caapi tincture with THH and Harmine in alcohol, the product should be fine. I'm not sure if it has any difference other than convenience though.


Have you heard of of an alcohol extract or homemade tincture done with caapi?

Seems like a soak & evap would yield a decent full-spectrum concentrate.



I soak my caapi in iso and make a tincture that I evporate onto a leaf base for changa mixes..workes real well..

I powder the caapi, mix in some sodium carbonate to freebase and a bit of water and leave it for a few hours and then soak it in iso for about a day or 2..
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#7 Posted : 11/25/2009 5:13:31 PM

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I wonder if there is any noticeable difference on a between a full spectrum alcohol caapi extract or acid/base/filter extract.

Great idea about mixing it with sodium carbonate first.
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#8 Posted : 11/25/2009 8:43:45 PM

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Madcapv2 wrote:
Would there be any benefit to having harmala alks in tincture form as opposed to powdered form. I noticed some vendors have started offering their harmalas in tincture form. Does a tincture store better? Or is it just convenience (not having to weigh out milligrams)


I think tinctures are just more convenient, that’s all.


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It is theorized that alcohol breaks download Harmaline into Harmala Red, a possibly non-active compound.

It is also said to break down harmaline into harmine, undesirable for some.

Tinctures work but why risk it for storage?


SWIM's friend has a harmaline tincture he got in the mail last Friday. It’s pure harmaline. There's no alcohol in it. It's preserved with acetic acid instead of alcohol, so it would not degrade the harmaline at all. Whoever made it obviously knows what they’re doing.

SWIM has not tried it, but his friend says it works very well sublingually, and because there's no alcohol it doesn't burn.

I like the idea of a tincture. Maybe SWIM will get one and try it out. SWIM doesn't like harmaline much though, so he's not interested in trying his friend's tincture.

In some cases, alkaloids in liquid form work better sublingually than powder does.
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These tinctures sound nasty...
I'd rather just make a tea with ayahuasca vine.
I imagine spagyrics tasting much better for those who are seeking spirit, rather than chemical.

 
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#10 Posted : 11/25/2009 9:09:20 PM

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I'd rather just make a tea with ayahuasca vine.


That's nice if you like purging. SWIM personally prefers pure alkaloids over the vine. Such a product sounds pretty cool to SWIM. Harmaline doesn’t interest him though. If a THH tincture existed, that would be cool!
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Purging's excellent, but that doesn't happen with a perfect dose of yage. Just nurturing bliss. :]
 
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#12 Posted : 11/25/2009 9:13:27 PM

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A THH tincture does exist now at FV
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#13 Posted : 11/25/2009 9:17:06 PM

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Purging's excellent, but that doesn't happen with a perfect dose of yage. Just nurturing bliss. :]


SWIM and you are totally the opposite in this respect. The vine tastes horrible. Pure THH HCl in a cup of coffee tastes MUCH BETTER. That's how SWIM does it. Sometimes he uses juice instead. It's much better tasting than a brew of vine...oh God what a horrible nasty brew to swallow.
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Madcapv2 wrote:
A THH tincture does exist now at FV


Really? Last time I looked they only had Harmaline and B Caapi tinctures, and they were VERY PRICEY.
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...ok...just checked out the site. They have a lot of them now. They have some 2 dram ones that are cheap. What is a dram?
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not only does FV have it....but it's ON SALE right now....

....think i'm gonna have to investigate....

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Yeah parrot notice this brand new products at f.v. He is not sure in what form thh is in the tincture. Is it in freebased form or as a salt? If is it salt , what salt. Even after detailed look, one isn`t sure, what form of thh it is. Wut?
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