so if one were to administer themselves with dmt intravenously, what's there to consider? has anyone actually performed it themselves?

i presume it would have to be salt form, for it to dissolve into solution. wondering how you would go about that? to get a purer substance, would you convert to freebase, then back to salt with an acidic solution?

and also wondering if one of these would be upto the job
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_injector
http://www.ameditech.com/medinfo/jet.html

i have no response to your first IV questions but regarding those jet things: arn't they only for intramuscular? DMT is active when given in IM but not as strong a IV...I think.

yeah you certainly wouldn't be using a jet if you're trying to iv anything

first and foremost you need clean
If you really want to do this then do it safely.

I'd suggest you take your freebase, and do an a/b or even two on it, that will result in a highly purified product. Alternatively you could recrystallise it as much as needed to give a while spice. Make sure to freeze precipitate and NOT evaporate in the final step.

Sterilise a shot glass using an IPA swab
Take an iv syringe and draw 20 units of sterile saline solution
Put this into the shot glass
put the amount of spice in there also (perhaps start with 10mg)
Dropwise add muriatic acid (30% HCl i believe), after each drop stir and observe the spice dissolve further. Get a pH meter and aim for a pH of around 6
Once your spice is dissolved run the solution through a wheel filter

You might want to get someone else to administer this for you, there was a guy doing this on the nook who could never seem to finish the whole amount (he'd be too far gone before he could)

You'd also want to make sure to draw at least 5 units of blood, then push the plunger down about a third of the way, then draw another few units of blood and again etc... This will make the introduction of the substance a lot smoother to your body rather than a solid punch of makeshift something

Jeebus ! .. serious adminitsrations !

If I recall correctly Strassman injetced dmt-salt at between 0.1 - 0.4 mg per Kg of body weight. He tried higher but the effects were too strong ( I think it was up to 0.7 mg per Kg), and folks' memories just blanked out.

yes, i very much doubt i'll ever get round to injecting dmt. the main issue would be the purity. but i think it's an interesting topic to discuss none the less.

There's a thread over at Mycotopia about this. I'll see if I can find it.Here it is DMT HCl I.V. Experiments

Im sorry I feel the need to say this. I can't help thinking, that you Gimmpy in particular and Coschi, El Ke Bong and Spacehippie, for your encouragment are total idiots!

It is easy, unless you suffer from emphasema or only have one lung or somthing to get a good hit or even to overdose if you choose from vapping. In fact if you can't trip far enough from just vapourizing spice, you probly shouldn't be doing it in the first place. I can't think of anything more ridiculus than popping holes in blood vessels just for kicks and certainly not with somthing you've just knocked out in your kitchen.

Strassman is a highly respected and highly qualified doctor, who used an intravenous method to conduct medical experiments in a very controlled scientific study. He used this method so that he could monitor every single aspect, working towards a more detailed knowledge of the spice for human learning.

You Gimmpy, are nothing like that. Your doing it for kicks. Theres nothing wrong with that, hedonism is what drives and motivates a great deal of my own life. But you are choosing to, or at least thinking about, disrespecting your body in a rather unpleasant way. That can not be cool.

well i guess someone had to me out and say it

I can definitely see why it's a touchy subject, but I think you need to show a litte more respect for this with differing views to you Magic Clown. Just because one is prepared to experiment a little further than you does really make them idiots does it? Furthermore give people some credit, for one I know i'm a smart fella and wouldn't be doing something unless I felt confident that it was safe and OK, and i'm sure (and hope) the other guys have similar approaches also

I think in different countries theres different attitudes towards injecting drugs. In the uk theres a huge stigma though in some parts of australia its the done thing because drugs are so expensive, like here in the UK if I was to say I injected drugs id get looked down upon, but this isnt the case in different places.

Well magic clown I could care less whether you think I am an idiot or not.I personally have no intention of doing I.V. DMT.I just figured if somebody was going to do it they might want as much information as they could get on the subject.And also how do you know what gimpy's motivation for doing this is anyway.I don't see anywhere in his posts that he said he was doing it for kicks.

I remember somebody emailed Rick Strassman re. the thread at thenook to which Strassmans main reply was '...Really, I hope somebody doesn't die.'.No disrespect to anybody, but I really think that if you need to ask questions about iv dmt it really isn't for you; more about purity and preparation than any 'politics' of the thing.Hell, if you've got access to chinese pharmacutical stuff and iv experience go for it,but banging kitchen chem stuff in your arm, prepping with pool acid seems pretty foolhardy...

We are all friends here. It was the reaction of one friend to another who was concerned, that fired that post.

There are some compounds, which for one reason or another, are best enjoyed intravenously. I can understand that. Ive got no problem about that. Ive used needles as a method of getting things in, in the past and have absolutly no qualms about the notion of personally using sharps again in the future. There would be point to it though, I would be using an appropriate method for that particular molecule. I just can't see a point for IV addministration of DMT.

We all know how easy it is to jump without recourse to needles. If you are anything like me, which I'm sure you all are, you will have explored the limits, pushed the dosage, seen what happens while exploring the upper levels of what is tolerable. Do you really think it might work better, or actually be better to shoot it?

What possible motivation could there be to needlesly puncture holes in your body tissue and blood vessles? I can only see two benefits of intravenous admin, firstly to know the wieght of your dose to the nearest .001g. or secondly to treat your self to an extra large hit. Now I, as I am sure you are aware, am not God. There is no reason on earth why I might not be totally wrong on this, but I find the first reason a bit anal, and the second totally pointless. The use of needles, seams crass and over the top and without any real form of reward.

If I had access to pure Chinese pharmacuticals, or even better than that. From Gods own peneal gland, extracted by himself and addministered to me by a topless Virgin Mary, I still would not have anything to do with sharpes and DMT. I think it would be an abuse of my body.

Who ever is that courageously desperate with dmt, it's crazy ! I wasn't offering encouragement. I'm a voyeur onlooker who has never stuck themself with anything so 'medical'.

Just read that Mycopia Thread ! That was what I meant - Jeebus ! Needles are for meds and serious drugs. It's not insulin we're talking about ...

Back in 2005, after reading Strassman's book, I was soo relieved when I found out I wasn't going to have to hire a nurse to try dmt - I wasn't going to be able to stick myself with a needle ! ..!

whoa!

yes, there's alot of stigma attached to the injection of drugs. but should there be? i believe, that from an objective perspective, injection of drugs is the best way to administer them. it happens in hospitals all the time.

i myself am a med student. at some point in the future, i'll be well accustomed to injecting people with all sorts of drugs. is it just illegal drugs that are bad to inject?

well.. yes. but only because of the purity issue. putting an unknown mix of mix of chemicals directly into your blood shows lack of respect for your body. it's something that i haven't and would never do.

the purpose of this thread was more to do with 'could you make it pure enough?' rather than 'how do i shoot up?'

the answer to the former question would be yes/no depending on your own personal limits, the definition of 'enough'. dmt is made in kitchens, not pharam labs. but i think that pharma-grade purity, or near enough, is not impossible with properly sourced materials, a good setup, and a deep understanding of the process. just to put it in perspective tho, even your most average extraction of near-white crystals made into solution would be way way more pure than any junk from the streets which can be cut down to 20-30%.

as to why, exactly, i would inject dmt...

there are 2 drugs, dmt and ketamine, which i would want to inject. the reason: because you don't want to be distracted from the trip by uncomfortable sensations in your body. i don't know if there's anyone out there who likes to slip into a k-hole in total isolation. i do, but don't like the feeling of the powder stuck at the back of my throat. likewise with dmt. smoking is fine, but i feel it lines my throat and leaves a sticky unpleasant taste in my mouth. not great once that warp speed generator kicks in!

how pious.


but abuse? anymore abuse than staring at a computer screen commits to one's eyes?
anymore than living in a city and breathing smog? anymore than eating pesticides and drinking hormones and being negative and living stress?

crass? over the top? i'm not sure something more extreme equates disrespect to one's body.
psychonauts eat cactus flesh and some administer rectally, by way of the large colon. the Mayans did it.
and i'm sure most of society would consider that a crass and over the top way to dose. are they necessarily correct, or more respectful to their bodies?

if you look at smoking a substance at high heats as respectful to your body, look again. these are the things you're willing to commit for your conscience and spirit to connect by way of DMT.
injection is slightly injurious to the body. and taking that pinch is up to willingness and openness to pain producing psychedelic highs. to each body and mind his own. culture and tradition does not exist.

go for the muscle

Well Gimpy, if your original question was about more about the purity of home made free base being good enough to inject, I may of slightly mistaken the nature of this thread. My answer to that would be I would have no qualms about using my own stuff. There is nothing in it that harms me when smoked, I can't imagine there would be anything that suddenly materialzes out of thin air and hurts me when jacked. My attitude is similar to that of Beardedlady at at mycotopia. I too have used junk and God only knows what else may have been present in those deals.

I spent a long time working on the purity of my product. I take pride in it. I think nothing about adding extra time, expence and complexity to the operation, sacrificing yield for purity. It still hurts when insfulated but is perfectly tolorable when vaped. I like the smell of it when vaped and find tobacco smoke from cigars to be far far harsher on my lungs.

Im not trying to sugest your stuff isn't good but is it really that bad that you find the the idea of IV addministration appealling? Obviously you do, which is why this thread exists,

As I mentioned previously I don't have any problems with needles. The stigmatization of them is not coming from me. It is just the use of them with DMT. I really dont see the point. You can go far enough on it, without poking holes in your arms.

Scamie writes "Go for the muscle." Do you have any personel experiance with "going for the muscle", Scamie? If you do why not share it with us? What makes you think that would make for a better or safer or more interesting trip?

I suspect Scamie can't answer those questions.

Honestly I don't know why this back and forth discussion is still going

I guess we're all here at the DMT-Nexus because we all have something in common. That would be the fact that we need something more in our lives than office jobs and pet cats. Moreso, it means that we all are open to greater possibilities, or at least the idea of experimentation and exploration

if that's the case then I don't see why some people Mr Clown *ahem* (kidding buddy) are so guarded when it comes to a topic like this.

don't get me wrong, i'm not silly, I know exactly why this discussion exist, simply put because a hell of a lot of people just don't like the idea of iv anything. But at the same time, we should all respect the fact that different people are willing to do different things in different ways, and even though you may have some instinctive disgust towards them and their approaches, that's only really your opinion which i'm sad to say really doesn't mean all that much does it?

Personally, i'd trust Lex's spicy salts (when they're ready) for iv administration far more than I would the various batches of smack and mdma that go around. God knows what the fuck goes into that shit, at least with your own product you know how clean it is. I wouldn't be wacking some yellow oily stinky ass dmt, but if I could purify it to a point where I am satisfied that it is clean enough to do, then it's only a matter of if i'm willing to go that route which personally I don't really see any problem with. You think doctors are the only one's who can administer iv without fucking it up?

Hi magic clown,
i suspect some irritation over there?! tell me when i'm wrong. I am not against IV. I just suggested to go for the muscle. i dont have any experience with administrating dmt straight into a vain. But i knew a guy who used speed that way and he "accidently", once in a while got something into his system what gave him what he called the shivers ... or words to that...
He told me you can easily get something like dust or whatever it was in your system.
I work in a hospital and we give patients medication every 2 weeks in the muscle... And its quite a save way i thought. If you shoot up some air bubble or something bigger then molecules, it's less dangerouse maybe..
but what the hell..... i am not a specialist.
and... tes .... your suspicion was correct my friend i never used any of these ways of administration of dmt. But i am interested in maybe using the muscle in the future... who knows.

rgrds

Oh and i was NOT saying it would be more a interesting trip etc....
it was only one sentence.