Hi ya'll

Some dude I met on the bus is trying this and had a question. When he added vinegar to the d-Limo in his sep funnel, it seperated nicely, but after some gentle swirling it had a honeycomb of soapy looking bubbles all through it. He let it sit for a while and it looked the same, then aimed a hair dryer at it from about a foot a way for a couple of minutes, to no effect. He then jiggled the spout a bit and a whitish clump fell to the bottom, then most of the rest sank as well, with some still at the phase boundary. Every so often a tiny bit will sink or float back up, almost like a lava lamp. Does anyone know what this might be? Calcium Acetate? Alkoloids? Cactus Crap?

He gave me a picture for reference, sort of hard to see but he says it is more distinct now and the vinegar is clear to cloudy.

How should he proceed?

Was the limonene properly filtered?

It was filtered through a coffee filter in a funnel when put in the sep funnel.

Excellent finding, Plaincoil.

SWIM just converted some of his brown acetate/carbonate mixture of ~400mg (SWIM actually forgot to weigh, beforehand) and converted to HCl. It formed a very dark resin after evaporation, so SWIM used a mixture of anhydrous acetone and IPA to clean it up and ended up with 100mg of grayish crystals after redissolving in water and evapping. So this should give some indication of just how impure mescaline can turn out, likely due to heat. Also, unless everything that was pulled off was simply impurities from the cactus, apparently oxidized mescaline is soluble in either IPA or acetone.

The ISO cleanup of goop is very interesting! One wonders what active alkaloids are lost with the discarded alcohol, however.

SWIM gets these precipitates every single time, regardless of wether he uses vinegar or HCL, they are a pain in the ass and the only thing you can do is wait. After 12-24 hours the precips will end up sitting between the limo and water layer, its then easy to pull out the water.

Since Ron never came across these, and a lot of other people didnt either SWIM thinks its just down to the limonene or calcium hydroxide. Must be a difference in purity of either of those two things. SWIMs calcium hydroxide is super super fine, and some of it does seem to be soluble in water, perhaps it makes its way into the limonene and turns into a salt upon hitting acid, either that or there are some strange impurities in SWIMs limonene.

n.b. SWIM has tried extremely dilute hcl and vinegar but he still gets these precips.

just give them time, and they will seperate

Friend had dried cactus tissue, after the mistake of failing to add water to cactus CAOH at the appropriate time, and is going to re-add the water. Thinking additional CAOH may be needed after the aborted limonene soak, he is wondering what PH he should aim for with the cactus-CAOH-water mixture, prior to adding the limonene. Thinking to add water, and slowly add CAOH until proper PH is reached, but not sure what that should be. Thanks wise ones!

Bus Dude's Ca(OH)2 is also very fine, to the point of clouding in the air. Calcium salting definitely seems plausible. Has SWIY ever isolated it and tested it in any way?

He did once, earlier in this thread (or the hcl one he can't remember), he mentioned the results. It wasnt mescaline, it had a very tangy smell, burnt the skin slightly and was very hygroscopic.... Infact it pretty much perfectly fit the description for calcium chloride... SWIM doesnt have enough experience/knowledge to know if thats what it actually was tho.

Hello all,

SWIM used this tek with 110g of sp and got roughly a gram. Like the others have said, this tek is ridiculously simple, SWIM used crude materials such as a soda can for measuring (converted the ml to oz and approximated), and a water bottle with a pull-up nozzle for seperation.

Also, like the others have said, drying is the longest part of this tek, and SWIM got impatient and used an oven to aid in drying. Swim would run it about 170 degrees (lowest setting on swims oven) for 15 minutes, every few hours. SWIM believes this may have made his results weaker because SWIM took double the dosage as recommended above. But SWIM has never experienced mescaline before this, so he really has no peripheral experience to compare to.

SWIM got what he wanted out of it though, and his experiences with it were so beautiful.
It was like he was being taught how good it feels to smile again, like he just discovered a tiny secret to being happy that wasn't really a secret at all, he had just forgotten it.

Things SWIM would like to point out is:
1) DON'T WORRY! It's an easy tek, so if it's gonna be your first time, relax, it's easier than you think. Plus SWIM did it with ghetto improvised materials, so I don't see why anyone shouldnt be able to do this
2) BE PATIENT DURING DRYING!

SWIM would like to express his gratitude to 69ron and everyone who has provided this thread with 42 pages of experience, experiment, and troubleshooting.

I love you guys <3
and I am proud to be a part of this great community =)


- Ellis Dee

wow man that stuffs verry potent,ive no idea how mutch of it i took yesterday as i dont have scales that measure that small but never the less,i think i had just enough.it turned me in to a gready cannabis monster.thats my first time with mescaline and i must say i had all the clasic phenethlamine symtoms with it,it actualy reminded me of them bad days that are long gone now where i would use the amphetamines and mdma,althow this had a lot cleaner feel to it,i would have liked it to have been a wee bit more psychedelic,that got me thinking,to take this in a dose where its more psychedelic,obviously the clasic phenethlamine feel would be doubled,i just cant imagaine how that would feel,i guess il have to give it a go.
maybe the dose i had last night combined with a small dose of shrooms would give it that psychedelic edge without hightning the phenethlamine side of things.

justn a thaught,but in one of my previous posts i mentioned about my vinegar being 10% instead of 5,well as i had already started using it by the time someone says i should dilute it with distiled water,will this do my final product any harm.

i dont have scales that measure small enough to say my exact yeild so far but judging by guestimation i would say about 200mg per pull,and althow ive never tried mescaline until yesterday i know this stuff is damn potent.

should i just carry on using the viegar i have as it seems to be working fine or should i start diluting it.

5% acetic acid = 2.42ph
10% acetic acid =2.27ph

I'm no expert, but methinks you'll be fine

Yeah the real difference between 10ml 10% vinegar and 20ml 5% vinegar is that your dollar stretches further! Unfortunately, vinegar is the cheapest ingredient.

i gave my brother some last night,still waiting to hear how he got on,i gave him an acid tab and some shroom tea way back in 97,apart from that hes never taken a psychedelic,lol,shit i bet ive created something now.

I updated the tech to version 1.2 by adding a section on the purification of mescaline acetate using MEK. With the new step you can clean up your end product, removing all of the non-mescaline alkaloids, to yield pure free flowing off white mescaline acetate powder.

Pure mescaline acetate is a white powder with a slight waxy texture similar to freebase DMT. You'll find that after the cleanup step, the results are far easier to handle, no longer sticky, and more potent (if it's from Achuma it might be less potent though).

After the impurities are removed, the trip experienced is far more like LSD, especially if coffee is taken with it.

Note that the potency will generally increase, such that a 100 mg dose would now be more like 150-200 mg dose of the impure amber alkaloid extract. In some cases the impurities are as much as 60%. Less so if Peruvian Torch is used. For Achuma, the potency might decrease.

If you use food grade or USP grade MEK, then the tech remains food grade. If you use technical grade or ACS grade MEK, then it's no longer food grade after the cleanup step.

Got a bit of a copy/paste issue going on there, Ron.

I fixed it.

wow, great update Ron!

thats been a tricky one to pin down for a while now

SWIM's last extraction was from San Pedro, and in this case 200 mg impure sticky amber mescaline acetate became 80 mg of nearly white highly pure mescaline acetate after the cleanup. It's surprising just how many non-mescaline alkaloids San Pedro can contain.

He tried it with a Peruvian Torch extract and 200 mg became 180 mg after the cleanup. That’s a very big difference in impurities.

This was expected. The Peruvian Torch extract originally had many white crystals present in it surrounded by some amber impurities (just like in the photos in the opening post), while the last San Pedro extract was one giant sticky amber mass with no apparent crystals present.

This cleanup step using MEK for mescaline acetate is equal to the cleanup step using acetone and IPA for mescaline HCl.

SWIM found the purity of San Pedro varies a lot more than he originally thought. He’s tested quite a few extracted using the HCl tech and each one has had a large difference in impurities ranging from 10% all the way up to 60%.

Because this tech can now be cleaned up as nicely as the HCl tech, and pure mescaline acetate is stronger than mescaline HCl, he’s not using the HCl tech anymore. There’s no advantage to it now. It’s obsolete.

The only benefit to using the HCl tech is that mescaline HCl is not at all waxy, but pure mescaline acetate is only slightly waxy, not the earwax texture of the impure stuff, and not waxy enough to really make a difference.

Pure mescaline acetate is pretty much just as easily ground and poured into capsules as pure mescaline HCl is. And SWIM doesn’t get that HCl body odor from it. Has anyone else noticed that with mescaline HCl? Every time SWIM takes 100 mg or more of mescaline HCl his sweat has a salty HCl smell to it. SWIM thought this was his imagination, but whenever he takes 100 mg or more of mescaline HCl his wife smells it and a few other people smell it saying SWIM smells like the beach but in a bad chemical way, which is the smell of HCl. Very weird. I never heard of this happening to other people before.