blue.magic wrote:I used 300 mg of very pure (recrystallized) DMT. I followed the FASA method from Wiki to the letter. The only exception was that I washed the DMT fumarate with fresh acetone several times (always let the fumarate to settle and decanted the supernatant liquid) to remove any excess fumaric acid and make sure the result will be DMT fumarate only.
And still I was left with only 176 mg of DMT fumarate, that is about half of the original weight of DMT. Since fumarate is heavier than freebase, I expect to still get around 300 mg of fumarate even when losses are present.
I am really tired and a bit angry. Why am I losing so much product every time?? I am not sloppy and tried the method several times, gone through tutorials on analytical methods and did everything to prevent losing HALF of the product. For example:
- prepared fresh anhydrous magnesium sulfate
- prepared fresh anhydrous acetone
- oven-dried absolutely everything (including bottle for the anh. acetone)
- flame dried every piece of glassware before use
Yet every time I make DMT fumarate using the FASA method I somehow lose over 50% of DMT.
How do you make DMT fumarate and prevent these huge losses and what could went wrong?
I am getting hopeless, checked and re-checked every step and still every time I work on my DMT, be it purification or FASA, over half of it simply disappears into nothingness...
Hi blue.magic,
I understand your frustration - from my and many other people's experience the weight math of freebase to fumarate and vice versa normally works out as expected.
Could in our case the loss of be actually a non-loss? In other words, you say that you started with "300 mg of very pure recrystallized DMT". Was that DMT crystals or was it dmt powder?
My understanding is that those oh so beautiful dmt crystals trap solvent (naphtha) and are heavier that they should. Crystal formation and shape is solvent-dependent (among other things of course) and solvent molecules are known to often form part of the molecular crystal lattice to e.g. influence crystal shape.
So if you started with dmt crystals I'd be inclined to believe that you had less than 300 mg to begin with and that now you have a purer form (dmt fumarate), and taht would explain the greatest part of the weight discrepancies observed.
If however you did start with a thoroughy solvent-free dmt preparation, that was powdered and then further left so as all traces of (re)crystallisation solvent evaporate, then I truly do not have an explanation with the current data you have provided. But we can get to the bottom of this if you are willing to perform a few more diagnostic tests/experiments.
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