Yeah I know, I think it would be the best feeling in the world. They did not have to think about making money, or abiding laws and such, they only had to think of surviving. What a glorious life that would be

And about that theory that life evolved from crystals, it is perfectly possible, and perhaps, highly likely that life was created that way. Due to the big bang theory, wasnt life and the earth created from various molecules, minerals and elements that mixed together in high heat?

^.."wasnt life and the earth created from various molecules, minerals and elements that mixed together in high heat?"

I think how it goes apparently is that it all formed as things cooled down..different properties crystalizing out and becomming apparent as things got cooler and solidified..

Yes, but first there was strong heat, and then came water, and the earth became one huge ocean, at least that is how I understand it? Perhaps it was the combination of the heat and water that helped create organisms?

Also, does anyone have any theories on the Bermuda triangle? please excuse that off topic comment.

Well the standard hypothesis is unusual magnetic fields combined with large amounts of methane gas bubbling up from the ocean floor stalling airplane motors instantly in mid air and sinking ships with massive gas discharges from the ocean floor.

As far as your post in general man I can understand how you feel I was once much the same many years ago.

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MV

Thanks mv, its good to know Im not alone. Thats why I really like this forum, I feel like the people I meet on here are all very educated, and a pleasure to have discussions with.

As for the Bermuda triangle, that theory is very interesting, perhaps methane gas could be used by the government to crash airplanes??? like some portable magnetic safety device combined with a methane gas releaser?

Maxzar100

I think about leaving so called normal society all the time but not to disconnect from humanity but to reconnect with humanity. Everyone has their own truth to life and i guess my truth is compassion, without compassion and love we as a society and community are nowhere. I think due to a lack of connection with nature and compassion for one another we as a community have become disconnected from the simple and truly beautiful aspects in life.


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Homo sapiens is a fantastic animal. It is a very social species with a very developed sense of morality.
They have enormous ability for empathy.

Homo sapiens is also highly dependant on it's social structures, companionship, empathy and apreciation.

Human society's are basically all about aquiring as much as possible of these desired things for every individual.

This is invokes a strong competitive element.

Humans will rival eachother to obtain useless goods, to outperform eachother in useless activity's and to display all kinds of physical traits, in order to get as much companionship, empathy and apreciation as possible from those who are succesfull in these very same competitive activities: They try to seek as much attention from those who got their attention.

Often this 'peacock-behaviour' becomes counterproductive. It stands in the way of that what it aims for.
Humans become so occupied with the display of atractiveness, that they loose contact with others as a result of lack of time, attention or focus.

Homo sapiens calls this sort of misfortune 'irony'. Ironically, seeing the irony of things itself is one of these 'peacock-traits' as well.

A few days ago, one of my professors had us read an article about the origin of Human violence. Surprisingly, we were thought to have inherited our violent natures from chimpanzees. At least, that is a theory, but there is much evidence to support it. Just something interesting and not totally off topic. Another interesting fact, is that the chimpanzees closest relative, the bonobo, is a very peaceful creature, suggesting that humans and apes did not get these traits from a common ancestor before the chimpanzee. Perhaps only the violent chimpanzees survived, and the weaker peacefull ones died, and eventually, selective breeding created a new type of vicous primate.

It's not so black and white.
Chimpansees are not solely agressive. They can be very gentle and social as well. Each tribe of chimps is different.

Humans are not only vicious as well.
Our viciousness, like with chimps, has nothing to do with survival of the fittest. It has to do with our sense of morality.

In social structures, this agression serves as a means of punishment for breaking the rules. Just like we also have systems of rewarding eachother for good behaviour. Just like chimps and bonobo's.

In solitary animals agression has a different function. It is not a moral trait in solitary animals, wich is why you could not blame some of the most agressive animals in the world, jaguars and tigers, of being sadists.

In humans and homonoids, agression has a social function.

This is why we have survived. Because contrary to what you might think, in the end the the balance between social and anti-social traits tips towards social traits.
In spite of all the wars going on in the world, the majority of our actions is social and benificial to others.
Wars are a dark side of our social character, wich is the very reason why we have survived.

In the end we commit more acts of compassion and altruism than acts of agression end selfishness. That is why we have managed to survive.

great points as always polytrip..

Polytrip

Beautifully put, compassion evolves us to higher states of being and consciousness where as hatred and war does not it only breaks down growth of any kind.


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Haha, a very objective analysis Polytrip!

By the way, bonobos can also be killer apes, not as peaceful as often thought.

Who was it that said 'Culture is not your friend'...
Institutions, money, politics, banks suck but human beings are usually rather peaceful and capable of empathy. They just have to grow up a bit - a process that takes centuries...

Everything that I once new is now gone. Alright, then that fact brings back the possibility of an original or commen violent ancestor.

Yes it sucks but may be true we have discussed this before at the Nexus War may very well move the progression of evolution forward.
Evolution is neither good or bad it just is. This is one of the reasons that I find not coming to conclusions to be a beneficial aspect of my personal mythology. no conclusions, no judgement, no beliefs, Just a GREAT BIG NOTHING with infinite possibilities


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MV

Hmmm it seems to me, that almost every time I do ayuhausca, my personally mythology changes a bit. It makes me wonder if I will ever really just stick to my beliefs. Perhaps this semi-frequent change, allows me to be more unbiased, by assessing many different viewpoints personally.

Yes friend change is good but not always comforting. Personally I feel that if my opinions are not constantly changing I am learning nothing.


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MV

^wise words.

MagikVenom

I would like to ask what do you mean by move the progression of evolution forward? Is this progression in a material technology sense of progression or a progression in intelligence and the mind? I don't think war can really create any positive change in the progression of our evolution as its only destructive, society my gain in material wealth and so called technology advancement from wars but is that real evolutionary progression? Our society on a whole creates wars and destruction and suffering. A child dies of starvation every 6 seconds how can that be evolutionary progress?

If we are so advanced why is the majority of society so unhappy and unhealthy in their hearts and their minds? If we are so advanced how come we cant figure out how exactly the pyramids were built? There are so many mysteries as to how ancient civilizations created the wonders that they did. I think we are in a state of stagnation, we are going backwards with all our wars and destruction and suffering. I think that ancient cultures that existed before money and the whole economic system come into things were far more attuned and highly evolved than we are.


Just some thoughts as i cant see how evolutionary progressing can be created from greed and suffering, maybe technology wise and from an economic standpoint yes but is that really evolutionary progress?



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