Can Syrian Rue be absorbed sublingually?


If so, what dose would I use?

Like raw seeds? For predosing a DMT session?

Ehm... never tried it myself, but at 4% alkaloids on average and a good sublingual harmala dose being around 50mg you're going to need to hold around a gram of material in your mouth. It will probably need to be pulverised and freebased to make it effective also. I'd just do a crude extraction.

That's just me talking though.

Can I use Baking Soda to freebase it?

yeah but you have to convert it first by cooking it for a couple of hours. bicarbonate of soda only pH's at 8.5 so that's not high enough to convery all the goodies.

So get the baking bicarbonate of soda, weigh it then put it in the oven at 300f for a couple of hours. When the reaction is complete it should have lost 1/3 of its weight and will now pH at 11+ish

Then you grind up your rue and mix in 1 part of your now sodium carbonate to 4 parts rue, then wet it to make a paste mix thoroughly then leave overnight, then dry the next day.

This may burn your tongue a little though.

I really really recommend doing a crude extraction.

What sort of extraction can be performed Soulfood?

Swim read through the thh extraction thread and just popped out the other end a bit more confused Is harmine aquired from a crude extraction with rue able to be used in Pharma?

Sorry if swim questions are retarded, he's moving on from Mesc and really has no idea about other extractions

The crudest of the crude would just be to boil the seeds in acidified water a good few times, then boil the water down to nothing and scrape up the result.

However there's some nasties in syrian rue and I don't recommend this:

http://www.dmt-nexus.me/....aspx?g=posts&t=4469

Just only use acidified water as your solvent with harmalas. Everything else sends it nasty.

Thanks

And what sort of dosage is needed in conjunction with dmt acetate? For a decent immersive experience?

I'd start with 150mg. Remember that harmalas have side effects beyond just MAO inhibition.

I've orally activated DMT with as little as 90mg of this extract very effectively. 250mg kicked my ass, in a good way for the mind, but my body was beaten.

69ron said somewhere, that 10mg is sufficient to potentiate DMT Vapor. Would be nice to get a confirmation.

Here comes the confirmation. 10mg of still very dirty freebase is enough to stretch the peak from 2 to 8 minutes. It's not so "intense" but gives more time to explore, which is nice, I guess.

10 mg of harmaline sublingually works great for sublingual 5-MeO-DMT also. It makes it much more DMT-like. It becomes a true visionary experience. It also makes it last a lot longer.

That's pretty interesting. Especially the fact that it makes it more visionary. My peruvian friend caught a glimpse of a vision today but it was very blurry. A very curious experience.

Swim thinks, that its just fantastic to prolong a dmt experience with as little as 10mg freebase. It does not hurt, it does not make one puke...amazing!

The good thing about using harmala alkaloids sublingually is that roughly 1/10nth the dose is needed for MAOI activity and that's not enough to affect the digestive system, so the typical digestive system problems and other bodily effects are not present at all. Plus you save a lot of money too.

Could one use it sublingually for a pharma preparation? The next step my friends gonna try is to up the dosage to say...20mg to check out if makes the peak even longer. He'd also likes to find something that eases him a little before smoking. It's sometimes a little rought the first tokes...would be great to jump right in...some say that shrooms are a good launching pad. Maybe a very small dose, say .5g cubensis would help.

A lot of people say Kava works great for easing the nerves for a DMT launch. SWIM has not tried it though.

I don't think that will work. The DMT will get destroyed in the digestive system without a ton of MAOI in the digestive system along with it. Because this method of MAOI use bypasses the digestive system, I just can't see how it would work for that method. SWIM never tried it because he thinks it's impossible to work that way.

But Kava can't be combined with any mao...but at the same time contains a rima (yangonin) ..maybe it even prolongs the experience? I have to look into that for my friend, thank you very much...