Limey, that video is great! Prohibition of Sally is inevitable, so get your own plants people. That's right I said it is inevitable!:evil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoF518hBFjU

I just hope his mother and his future potential employer has not seen it yet. Lots of folks are going to be wishing they never posted stuff on the internet in the coming years. If you post stuff like that of yourself on the net why even bother going to College?

I can some what relate to him but I think i will confine that aspect of my life here at the Nexus, in a more apporaite manner.


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MV

Yup, with morons posting videos of themselves being jackasses all over the internet....your probably right.

You have to think about how any of those videos look to the average person.
We are a small, small community, compared to the general population of the planet.
The people we need to convince in order to change things, see nothing but an idiot who ingested something that instantly made him crazy...that's all.
And that is all they need....to tell you, me & everyone else how to live our lives!!


Whether it's wrong or right to smoke anything...And whether or not that dude in the vid is tapping into the true nature of reality, or just Nucking Futs...does not matter a single bit.

The people who make the laws that WE ALL HAVE TO LIVE BY think it is a horrible thing, so that is what drives the future laws, that will continue to shut down more & more of these things we all hold so dear!!!

So Stop Giving Them The Ammunition They Need, just to get your little 15 minutes of internet fame!!!!

I find it hard to believe that anyone even watches that crap (yawn...), other than the people looking to flag them.


WS

^agreed.

Also MV has a point..the way things are going..it may not be wise to mkae yourslef so umm..identifiable as someone of interest to the bad guys..

That's exactly how i viewed reality on the heaviest spice journey i had so far.

I have never taken salvia.
I have always been a bit scared of salvia because of some of the stories that are told, but i'm beginning to find it more and more fascinating.

Especialy when things i read here confirm what i've experienced on DMT.

I agree. I can't stand the vids of peoples salvia trips on youtube. The wrong kind of publicity. But how is that guy so up and energetic?

I wondered the same thing espically the part were he SNATCHES up the bong shakes it and askes Why(or something to that effect)

He explained it to good to be trying to wing it he got the script from someone whos been there or he has been himself. He may even be tripping hard in vid but no way I could do that and remain sitting up straight and gesturing.

I came back to reality twice on 20x big hit one inhallation from a bong. Both times I was twisting around on my bed in a pool of bong water like a earth worm squirming around on the surface of a hot concrete parking lot. Smoked good 20x the twist kicks my ass every time no way I could sit up.

I did not like it for years but recently have been doing quids of dry 20x along with other things and she may be taking a liking to me cant be sure yet. The first 5g of 20x I got lasted me 3years in a tin with no noticeable potency loss.

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MV

PS cellux not giving you a hard time Brother your post has done no harm and has generated a intelligent debate. Since I enjoy intelligent debates that do no harm thank you for your post

"Think of it like this: Your mind is actually the 'outside' and this reality is the 'inside'. I call it the MIND FLIP. Everyone is looking INTO reality from the OUTSIDE. So when you die, you merely step away from a physical illusion that is contained within a greater reality. Thus, it seems as if people live in each others minds."


Yes that is a good account of a salvia breakthrough..there can be other stuff going on but that is a nice approximation..

It's an EXTREMELY strange feeling..yet so familiar that you feel like there is NO WAY BACK to concentual perception..because you are now seeing this bigger picture, this vaster existance..and "how the hell am I going to fit back into that lower place and go on living THAT way?"..is what always comes to mind..it can be very confusing and frightening..

I alwyas feel like I finally figured "IT" all out..but it took so many trips for me to even bring back the slightest hint of what "IT" even is..and I still cannot really describe it..words just drip off of the thing like water..when I am there..everything and everyone is connected to it..things in this reality are like little dents in a membrane being pressed on by the real things out there..

A few times when I took Salvia, I started sitting down and then as soon as it came on, I got up and ran like hell (never knew why). It certainly doesn't pin you like DMT does.

That is interesting that is why I can not say for sure if he is really triping or not(I try not to pass judgement but love exploring possibilities ) as I have read of a fair percentage try to or do get up and begin running around.(yes very dangerous) Not me it twists the hell out of me with a very unpleasing pins and needles over my entire body. Until I am blown away and cant recall much I return to the strong twist and pins and needles. A good 20x does it every time when I smoke it.

I dont care for it at all by itself in combo it is different because it can not overpower me and the effects of other substances. They gives me confidence(my unscientific plant allies) that I am in partial control. I do have power over salvia hypothetical speaking of course in combo only.

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MV

I once watched a guy smoke salvia while he was on acid(he was a friend and forgot to mention to us that he was on acid..said he was experienced with salvia) in the woods and he got up and ran really fast into off into the bush(very dangerous because he was running all wildy out of controll)..after he came back to his normal LSD level he said everything started zooming away into a long tunnel and he though he was getting sucked backwards and had to run back to reality to catch up..

Some people seem to be dedicated to bolting after smoking salvia..

I roll around and drool all over myself and laugh and talk to my wall etc when I go really deep but I couldn't for the life of me actaully direct that energy into actaully controlling myself let alone running or walking!

what do you like to combine it with Magic Venom??..I have combined it with DMT and caapi and I really liked it every time..cannabis as well..

Never tried it yet while on longer lasting classic psychedelics..

That's funny, because I see your stance as highly selfish. Wanting to keep entheogens a secret, that only an elite, esoteric group is aware of. If nobody knows about it, how do they benefit from it? You and your inner circle are the ones who benefit.

I've only seen one other salvia video of a girl having a bad trip, and can only imagine some of the videos out there. But the video of this thread surely can't compare. The way he carefully explained what he experienced - the little speech bubbles of the spirit he was talking to.

And yes, I'm fully aware that reading or watching the experiences of others is no comparison to the thing itself. But such insights, along with an interest in NDE, and conventional mystical experiences, is food of a sort that I feed to my subconscious, out of which is produced an intuitive picture or map, that helps me in my spiritual path. Sign posts up the mountain im climbing the old fashioned way, without the use of drugs.

Kind of like like viewing porn is not actually having sex but can still give you a boner?

That is a sad way of putting it. More like a blind person being led by his trusty guide dog.

Yeah but if you weren't blind then you wouldn't need a guide dog. But even those who can see need sex, so I prefer my simile.

anyway I was just being cheeky

The reality of the situation is that SALVIA VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE ARE USED AGAINST SALVIA AS A REASON FOR IT TO BECOME ILLEGAL.it has nothing to do with people wanting only for theyr own personal inner circle..that comment is not justified, is a bit of a cheap shot IMO and only serves to create further conflict and argument here..

I do grow lots of salvia and no I dont want it becomming illegal here and the more it is posted on youtube the more teenage kids see it and want to go out and get fucked up..thats just the reality of the situation..there are plenty of sites dedicated to salvia where people can learn about it..they dont need to go to youtube..which noone needs.

Maybe if you had ever tried it and understand what it's capable of you would understand..I personally know of people who went out and bought it and smoked it across the street from the store in a park and got totally fucked up putting themsleves in physical danger with all the heavy traffic in the area etc..this stuff should be treated on the level of Datura while under the influence(not becasue of physiological toxicity, but it can make one just as delerious)..Most people dont know that have taken anything and think what they are experiencing IS the normal reality..I would rather see kids eating mushrooms or LSD personally becasue it takes a certain ammount of maturity to really grasp and appreciate what salvia is capable of. The same can be said of LSD and mushrooms but you dont see people wanding around unaware of theyr surroundings in the middle of the road etc after eating mushrooms unless they eat an ungodly ammount.

Most salvia videos are stupid and dont contain anything enlightening to watch and while that one video was a bit of an exception becasue I think the guy meant well and wanted to share it with others, it's a real minority amongst all the bullshit salvia videos..thats is why youtube is not the place for this.

Trying to act like youtube is getting the word out about salvia is rediculous..it's already sold in newsstands..the word is already out there..in my opinion certain people just shouldnt have access to the stuff anyway becasue they use it in stupid situations..just wait till some 15 year old kid sees this stuff on you tube and goes and gets some 50x crap and ends up falling out of a window..


"That is a sad way of putting it. More like a blind person being led by his trusty guide dog."

I can understand that you want to try and understand what it may be like..but no ammount of expanations from others will do it ANY justice..noone else is capable of leading into that place..the place salvia takes you is untranslatable..completely unlanuagable..You must go there..and I doubt you will ever get to THAT place without salvinorin A..I dont belong to the camp that says "I can get to the same place without drugs"..thats bullshit. Yes I have had many visionary experiences without taking anything..but so what? Our brains make some drugs..plants make others..simple as that. Never have I ever heard of someone having a spontanous salvia trip.. or anything close to it while meditating..DMT-like sure..but DMT is in us at least.

You must undertand why people take this seriousily..people here grow this stuff and dont want to be made into criminals becasue people chose to post this stuff out in the open on the most mainstream place where it will be used AGAINST the salvia community..we're are not trying to be selfish..saying that just screams selfishness to me..we dont need any more heat when it comes to this plant..let us grow her in peace.

Again the video I think is a relief in comparison to others out there but I would just like to see it posted somewhere where everyone and theyr mom can find it just like that...salvia specific sites are one thing, you tube is another..

So if this video is an exception, it shouldn't be flagged. It should be enjoyed by everyone. By all means report videos you think are harmful - I have no issue with that.



Are you for real? Don't you believe there will be ultimate transcendance beyond phsycial death? At the very least, Near Death Experience leads me to suspect some pretty interesting states of consciousness are possible without salvia, even if this is just a trick of the dying brain.

I just dont think it's good for salvia videos to be on youtube at all..I wish things were different but the people we are at ideological war with dont discriminate between these things the way we do..they see and want to outlaw it..simple as that.

Yes I do believe that salvia touches on true OBE and NDE levels..but there is also alot of full on weirdness that happens on salvia that I have never not once heard about from NDE or OBE experiences..I have been working with this plant for years, taken in hundreds of times and I believe that the plant has a spirit..In my opinion the real work with salvia, at least for me involves meating and working with a plant spirit..not in a metaphoric sense..but a very literal sense..sure there are light beings and whatnot..but central to it all in my deeper experiences are my meeteing with "her"..

Perhaps death is the exception..but id rather just smoke some salvia than have to die to see it

Please dont get offended by my words..I just care soo much about this plant and feel the need to stand up in her defence..I know she hates all these kids abusing her and all the media attention. She a spirit and my freind maybe that sounds nutz but I dont care!

You don't have to let Sally knock you flat on your back, and into oblivion every time. On 5x, and 10x you can ease your way into her hands by taking small tokes few and far between. Have someone talk to you while doing so or even better have a musician friend play some nice tunes. The interaction with others will keep your mind intact more or less because our senses keep pumping electrical signals to the brain due to the exterior stimuli, and so our consciousness has to stay put. Notice how in the video a friend or acquaintance is present, and obviously moving about. Now, while interacting with a friend Salvia will simultaneously show you other planes of existence and teach you things all the while you're listening to the music and it is the most f!cking incredible music you've ever heard. I highly recommend this technique.



Ya, Salvia is sold in news stands, and those kids that buy Sally from news stands looking for an easy thrill wonder why she gets pissed and turns them into an inanimate toy/object thing, and puts them on a shelf. To me her reason for doing so is quite clear. She demands respect, and when she is shipped around the world, bought, and payed for like cheap candy, she will not hesitate to put anyone in her situation literally. It's the common-sensical,"How would you like it if they did this to you?!!" People have no sense of empathy, and are too stupid to realize what she's trying to communicate. It took me a couple of these zainy ego deaths to realize what was going on. Don't agitate an angry godESS! That's right, people wonder why she is so bizarre, irrational, and moody well she's a woman! Go figure, and she does have a lot to teach us.