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TotalTotalness
#41 Posted : 2/10/2017 8:30:58 AM

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In my case, it doesn't - I use a little bit more steel mesh than on this picture.
 

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#42 Posted : 2/10/2017 9:04:49 AM

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Looks cool somehow :-)
I guess the difference when using the machine
is that one can collect the smoke before breathing in...
 
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#43 Posted : 2/10/2017 3:29:26 PM
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TotalTotalness wrote:
ringen00 wrote:
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Can someone please give me advice on how
to handle this technique?
Or recommend a tutorial on how to build
'The Machine'?

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I use something like this for smoking DMT -





You can use steel scouring pad as a screen as well when attempting the set up pictured above, like a "crack pipe".

In response to the OP, no, the DMT vaporizes on the metal screens , these screens prevent the liquid DMT from sucking through to the other end of the pipe, though as you would suspect, you must be mindful.



To the op:

Sounds like you are using an "oil burner" (meth pipe), no? (A glass sphere with a small hole on its top connected to a cylindrical stem ) which can actually work great provided you are skilled at smoking from one of these utensils, personally, I like these pipes, they remind me of laboratory glassware, however, you have to have a good technique or these utensils can be wasteful...

There are many, many options...

You can use a GVG.

You can take a cannabis pipe, place a layer of cannabis in the bowl, place a layer of DMT on the canbabis, and then cover the DMT with a final layer of cannabis, at which point you "cash" the bowl in a single inhalation.

You can use a dab rig.

You can use electronic vaporizers.

You can alter those tobacco vap pens to be DMT vaporizers...

You can use you imagination, once you get the "feel" of how to produce large quantities of vapour without burning or wasting your product you can get creative.


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#44 Posted : 2/10/2017 5:36:19 PM

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What's a GVG or dab rig?

This morning I spontaneously build a version
of 'the machine'.





Just the steel wool smells a bit like iron.
I washed it and heated it properly!
 
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#45 Posted : 2/10/2017 5:37:04 PM

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#46 Posted : 2/10/2017 7:44:21 PM

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entheogenic-gnosis wrote:


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I use something like this for smoking DMT -



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Do you ever have any issues with the screens (not) staying in place?

I use something almost identical, except I use copper mesh in place of the screens. I've found however that by rolling the copper into little balls to fit into the opening, they tend to slip down the inside of the tube. Sometimes i can get it just right so that the springyness of the mesh holds it in place but more often than not that isn't the case.

I use one of these far more often with weed- simple to clean and cheap as hell to buy the materials for, less than $3.00 total from the corner convenience store. But yeah, effective. Works great with all kinds of poly-morphs; plant matter, goo, xtal, combos thereof.

How do you get yer screens to play nice, e.g.?
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#47 Posted : 2/10/2017 8:26:53 PM

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Not sure if you're asking me or Entheogenic gnosis, but I don't actually use those screens - my mesh is also from steel dish scrubber. I just usually take as much mesh, so that it fits tightly and doesn't move around, if that is what you're asking. But I'm about to buy some of these screens, because I don't like how the steel mesh from the scrubber reacts when heat is applied.
 
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#48 Posted : 2/10/2017 8:55:39 PM
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ringen00 wrote:
What's a GVG or dab rig?

This morning I spontaneously build a version
of 'the machine'.





Just the steel wool smells a bit like iron.
I washed it and heated it properly!


That looks like a "mandrax pipe"

In south Africa a blend of Methaqualone and diphenhydramine called "mandrax" is smoked out of broken glass bottles which are packed with cotton, metal, or tobacco screens which the crushed mandrax is then placed on and smoked, as in the attached picture.

Ok images are, in order:
·Mandrax pipe
·Dab rig
·Glass vapor genie

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#49 Posted : 2/11/2017 3:10:38 PM
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This is an older article, however it may be useful

Gracie and zarkov "DMT: how and why to get off"

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Getting Ready

1: We recommend a uniformly, though not brightly, lit room. Unlike with mushrooms, in total darkness the DMT visions are rather drab. In full sunlight the colors are unbelievably intense with red and gold predominating but we feel that bright sunlight tends to obscure some of the intricate detail so characteristic of DMT visions. We usually do it during the day in a room that is brightly lit with indirect light.
2:Get comfortably seated where you can lie back and rest your head during the trance. If you smoke DMT standing up, you will almost certainly fall on your ass if you get a good hit!
3: We recommend a dosage of about 40-50 mg. The dosage should be weighed out and not eyeballed. Dosages below 25 mg yield only physical and threshold psychedelic effects. Dosages between 25 mg and 40 mg are usually not enough to display the full range of the unique DMT effects described below. Dosages in excess of 55 mg, particularly if you are successful in holding all of the vapor in your lungs, can be VERY heavy and are not recommended for f irst time users.
Method One: The "Freebase" Method

4a: Obtain a "freebase" airpipe such as the one illustrated below. Use with the largest funnel type bowl you can find. Insert the largest fine mesh stainless steel screen that will fit into the bowl. Then sprinkle the DMT uniformly over the center of the mesh screen. Make sure to keep the DMT away from the edges of the screen so that when it melts it does not run over the edge of the screen.

***i know the image of the smoking utensils is distorted, visit the link to view them properly***

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FREE BASE AIR PIPE CLASSIC DMT PIPE
5a: Hold a match or torch above the screen and inhale deeply and slowly. Do not let the flame touch the DMT as this will destroy much of the drug. DMT melts and vaporizes easily so the point is to let the hot air rushing by the flame into the pipe vaporize the DMT. It is quite easy to vaporize the DMT and end up with the airchamber full of white DMT vapor.
Method Two: The Classic Psychedelic Ranger Method

4b: If you hang out around a good glass blower or long time "head" you might be able to obtain a classic DMT pipe such as the one illustrated. Load the DMT into the glass reaction chamber and heat the outside bottom of the chamber with a flame.
5b: When the white vapor appears, breathe in deeply and slowly. If you inhale too soon or too quickly, the powdered DMT will be blown down your throat. It is not active that way. Make sure that all of the DMT is vaporized. In the absence of a classic DMT pipe, some people use a regular "hash oil" pipe heated from the outside. We find this too tricky to be reliable. You are just as likely to end up with boiling liquid DMT in your mouth. (That's why the classic pipe has a "V" shaped stem.) We personally use the "freebase" method.
In either case...

6: The smoke is very harsh. It tastes like burning plastic. It isn't particularly hot, but you will have a tendency to cough. On each toke try to hold your breath for as long as possible. Exhale and immediately take a second toke. The physical effects, a buzzing or vibration throughout your whole body, come on first. The intensity of these effects is not a reliable guide to the dosage of DMT that you have consumed. Keep taking lungfuls and holding them until all of the premeasured DMT is consumed. Gracie suggests that the best way to smoke DMT is to try to smoke as much as you can before you inevitablly fall into a trance. While not recommended for beginners, it does capture the approach you should take towards smoking your premeasured dose.
One advantage of the "freebase" method is that the 50 mg of DMT can be divided into three toke sized piles. The smaller amount can be easily vaporized and inhaled in one breath with the screen being reloaded with DMT after each toke.

7: Just as you feel yourself "going over the top", exhale. Breathe normally, close your eyes and enjoy the visions.
Your companions should be instructed to take the pipe from you when you close your eyes because you will have poor motor control. Since you will be in a trance for 4-8 minutes, you should also have told them not to disturb you. To them you will look like you are asleep. This is not a social drug or one to be taken casually; you will be entranced.

8: When you come our of the trance, remain seated for about 10 more minutes as you will still have only shaky control of your limbs.
9: In 30 minutes from the time you started you will be pretty much down, but still euphoric. You will be completely down after a total of about one hour.
1O: We do not recommend that DMT be combined with other drugs. It should be done on a clean head. Marijuana fogs the effects. It is not a party drug: the effects are most entertaining experienced in a quiet room. When DMT is smoked at the peak of a mushroom or LSD trip, the effects are spectacular, but only recsmmended for the experienced, most brave (or some might say, most foolhardy) of investigators. The effects used at the peak of another psychedelic can last for several hours.
http://www.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/GandZ/gandz.dmt.html


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#50 Posted : 2/12/2017 8:17:25 PM

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Thanks!
Yeah, i think I'll get some fresh steel wool
and have a try with my 'machine'.
Could be that it's a bit too big and the DMT
can recrystalize too easily... then I'll build
a smaller one.

And after that I'll have a go
with Changa and Enhanced leaf :-)
 
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#51 Posted : 2/17/2017 2:46:04 PM
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ringen00 wrote:
Thanks!
Yeah, i think I'll get some fresh steel wool
and have a try with my 'machine'.
Could be that it's a bit too big and the DMT
can recrystalize too easily... then I'll build
a smaller one.

And after that I'll have a go
with Changa and Enhanced leaf :-)


Steel-wool is not suitable.

Be sure to use a steel scouring pad, like the one in the picture attached.

Before placing the scouring pad in the pipe, it's best to take a torch (or lighter) and thoroughly heat the material.

Never used "the machine" before.

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#52 Posted : 2/18/2017 12:25:09 AM
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I found a stainless dab pad for a mighty vape can be pressed in perfectly above the lower screen on the GVG. Easy to use and works perfectly.
 
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#53 Posted : 2/18/2017 3:00:17 AM

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entheogenic-gnosis wrote:
60mgs sounds on par.

I know a good deal of people that have trouble figuring out milligrams from the digital scale, it's really nothing to be ashamed of, though it's crucial to gain an understanding here so you can properly dose yourself.

-eg

It's all good. On another site someone had dosed a sort of RC I can't remember and posted a pic of it on the scale. Luckily someone pointed it out that he wasn't reading his scale correctly and he got a ride to the hospital and the Docs were able to cancel out whatever RC it was with minimal consequence.

That's one of the reasons I post what I do in the process when it's something new I've never done. Some may think it's an unimportant topic or whatever etc. but it really can help stop someone who thinks they have studied and feel safe in moving forward but make an accidental slip up with all those thoughts running through their head and dealing in new territory.

You never can be too cautious, especially when dealing with these topics and your body/mind. Thumbs up

Edit* - Speaking of questions, I was looking at "the machine" and was wondering if you place your dmt on the "inside" side of the chore-boy or the "outside" side? It would make more sense to me to put it on the inside side, then plug it in the neck of the bottle and then light the outside side so no fire ever hits the crystals. Do I have that right?

And how did you get such a perfect hole in that bottle? Glass drill I take it?
 
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